Uh oh, I'm at it again...

Quoting Sober Recovery, that is. Paw, could you do me a favor? Ask Kathleen if I can quote her Big Book quote for 7/22/13? It's a good one, the one on page 123 of the 1st edition. I also like how she answered the poster who questioned it. She said it was above her pay grade! True that. But she gave a great response. Hopefully more to come. If she wants me to not quote her here, I won't.

So I'm the enemy of A.A.? Really? I'm the one breaking traditions? Huh.

Here's an example of the work put out by the folks who were the cause of me putting this blog up in the first place. They taught me everything I know about going into forums and and making a mockery of their postings... to follow after these 11 paragraphs;___________________________________________________________________________________________ I'm sorry about the dashes, but my editor sucks right now;_________________________________________________________________________________ I was once like you folks and just one poster over at Sober Recovery. I was never popular from the get-go. I was banned with another bunch of folks, namely Jimhere, RobB... who would appreciate it if Artsoul or some other mod would delete his profile and pic but SoberRecovery won't although against his adamant requests..., Ago... a hot-headed atheist who I didn't get along with but came to respect as someone who could show other atheists how to still use 12-Step recovery to get get over drinking... and a few others, some of whom were allowed back to SR.______________________________________________________________________________________________________ We were innocently posting along at SR like y'all are now, then these folks over at Stinkin' Thinkin'... aka Leaving A.A. ... started cutting and pasting our posts... the most Hardlined of us at SR. The folks within Sober Recovery... secular anti A.A. posters, and secular anti A.A. mods alike, got a kick out of it.__________________________________________________________________________________________________________ I tried to defend myself on Sober Recovery and got threatened to be banned for it. We in the 12-Step subforum were given a very tight leash inside and outside of the forum. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ But guess what? Our United States Constitution is the highest law of the land. But, if the private entitiy which is SR, the Mulligan Group or whatever group they are, has their own rights. And you must follow them.___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Fair enough, right? But make no bones about it, you Sober Recovery A.A. purists are amongst your enemies there. Good luck with that. For example, just try and start a thread in the 12-Step subforum about "Censorship". Not only will your thread be locked down like a rogue prison ward, but you too can get banned... freed, and come join me here. Ha Ha. Imagine that?_____________________________________________________________________________________________________ I created my blog so I could battle it out with anti/XAers on my own turf. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Try and delete my posts and comments.___________________________________________________________________________________________________ If you want me to leave you alone, no problem. I'm a gentleman, really._______________________________________________________________________________________________ But in order for you to stay right and sick, I have to be wrong and you have to be right. _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Have a good day now._______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ -Patrick_________________________________________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Posting from Leaving A.A., formerly known as Stinkin' Thinkin' and in cahoots with Agent Orange aka Orange Papers... and imo a bunch of you sickos over at Sober Recovery... including the mods... don't believe me? Go research the exit of folks like Miscommunicat etc. and folks who voluntarily left Sober Recovery after "we" were banned from there...;___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________As seen on Leaving A.A._______________________________________________________________ AA is Deemed Highly Religious Already in 25 states. Know Your Rights! Attention DUI …___________________________________________________________________________________________________ Posted on July 17, 2013 by massive _________________________________________________________________ Join Massive and Bob Warner who sued the state and won back in 1996 for a 1 hour show on Religious meeetings….AA ….ICYPAA ….young people getting indoctrinated into AA so young. How can we stop this?________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Who do we need to educate. Parents! Lawyers! Therapists! Teachers! PTA! Doctors! www.blogtalkradio.com/saferecovery____________________________________________________________________________________________ A.A.- How Alcoholics Anonymous Steals Your Soul: Indoctrinating America in 12 Easy Steps [Paperback]__________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Mr. Robert Howard Warner (Author)________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1. suntime on July 17, 2013 at 7:06 PM said: __________________________________________________________________________________________________ The worst part of this whole AA sham is the teens and young men and women that are forced to go, imo. Massive how about contacting some teen right agencies/attorneys, letting them know everything your work has found. Then maybe parents, therapists, doctors won’t be so gung ho about sending their children there. Look at what is happening in the troubled teen industry. It is soooo disgusting. Lots of the ppl that work in those treatment centers are AA members. Check out the book, help at any cost I’m sickened….______________________________________________________________________________________________ Reply ↓ 2. AntiDenial on July 17, 2013 at 7:18 PM said: When?

To those at Sober Recovery that are new to cyber-recovery...

Thanks Mark. Some folks think I'm a stalker and have venom. I guess I can work on that._____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ But in the meantime, I like how Mark put it;________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Hmmmmmm I always kinda enjoyed Patrick's irreverence for MOTR AA. And he is as hardcore AA as anyone I have ever had cyber dialog with. And I think he was very helpful to me early on. I think, I hope, Patrick will choose to just leave you alone. You don't get where he is coming from and if he is making you a special project of his on his blog, that is certainly not going to help you "get it". He won't hurt veritas, unless you let him... The whole clusterf*#%^ that happened a few years ago was regrettable and changed SR in a very real way. Let it go... It is in the past... One day at a time, remember?

Someone at SR giving advice to a newbie who wants his sponsor to quit fucking around and get him through the steps

Thanks Mark. Some folks think I'm a stalker and have venom. I guess I can work on that._____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ But in the meantime, I like how Mark put it;________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Hmmmmmm I always kinda enjoyed Patrick's irreverence for MOTR AA. And he is as hardcore AA as anyone I have ever had cyber dialog with. And I think he was very helpful to me early on. I think, I hope, Patrick will choose to just leave you alone. You don't get where he is coming from and if he is making you a special project of his on his blog, that is certainly not going to help you "get it". He won't hurt veritas, unless you let him... The whole clusterf*#%^ that happened a few years ago was regrettable and changed SR in a very real way. Let it go... It is in the past... One day at a time, remember?

Anonymity via Tradition 12

What say you about Anonymity as the principle we use in A.A. with respect to using it in a spiritual way? Not just uttering the phrase "Principles before personalities", but to consider how God would use it and have us use it.

I believe God uses anonymity in His dealings with us so as to enable us to be autonomous in our lives and to prevent our heads from exploding. Example, in dealing with our enemies, we get the opportunity to either amend our behavior with them, to forgive them, to be forgiven from them, or even to just leave them alone and pray for them and watch a miracle overtake them.

When's the last time you prayed for an enemy or the last time you pulled an unselfish act on an enemy? If it was recently, then you can attest to the Power of God. If not, then you are a sick and sad sap and you ought to try it sometime.

I believe that God helps us fix things from our past when we are ready and let's us suffer (grow) when we are not.

Oh yeah, our detractors... aka anti/X-A.A.ers/radical atheists etc., would have you believe that A.A.ers use anonymity to duck responsibilities. H8ers. I say we should get together with them at some park sometime and have a BBQ and discuss it. I'll pick the time and the place. Any takers?

4th Step and Institutions

In my cyber-loneliness, I've decided to borrow one of Paw's posts from SR and post it here. It's my understanding that we list people we were hurt threatened or interfered with, not in fear of... that comes later. I don't have a BB handy, but anywho. Music's post was condescending and useless. Tom's post was sterile and goodie-goodie. My experience is how do I react when I get a letter from my bank? VISA? Master Card? Water Bill? Gas Bill? Phone company? Verizon? How about junk mail? Spam? I don't have to be a criminal thief or have bad credit to have a resentment against an institution. But if I owe them money, that's an easy fucking amend. Pay back the money. What about credit card debt? Pay it off? Well no fucking shit. East to say from a keyboard, hard to do. Something to put down in the fear column too. More about this in the comments hopefully soon.

A.A. meeting format?

I saw a thread on SR started by our very poster UncleMeat aka Paw about this topic.

My meeting/group has it in our group conscience to do steps yearly... starting on about September 1st and having amends all done by Thanksgiving ... and so we share our experience on where we are in the steps as our topic.

We have the other 9 months of the year to live in steps 10 11 and 12, so the bulk of our topics is on those three steps.