Alcohol Recovery Blog... Well, not so much any more. I've lost all of my support over the last several years obviously. Nobody wants to go head to head with the Anti/XAers anymore. Seems that most have jumped off of the A.A. "bandwagon" all together. I've lost my resolve as well. Still sober 20+ years though. So there is that.
Evidently, our adversaries in Cyber-Recovery have drawn their lines in the sand and told their minions to stop coming outside to play with us.
tintop says
What needs to be done is clear as crystal.
Do or not do. And live with the consequences as best you can.
January 17, 2011, 3:27 pm
tintop
says ftg:
see ya
January 17, 2011, 6:00 pm
tintop
says arguing with a fool makes you a double fool. Eventually, you may figure that out ftg. good luck to you. you may need it.
January 17, 2011, 7:03 pm
tintop
says z — I have to decide whether this place is worth it.
Ignorant peckerwoods such as that excreble creature aka, ‘tony’ drive the quality of this blog to the vanishing point. I do not suffer fools. Personally, I have had individuals better than that vulture, ‘tony ‘, escorted by security out of the building.
January 17, 2011, 8:38 pm
tintop
says correct. The fools are completely useless. And, they know that they are.
January 17, 2011, 9:11 pm
Rotten Ralph
says FTG:
The “trolls” as you call them, actually add spice to this blog. They were more prevalent last year, and I especially miss McGowdog, believe it or not. I think that you may have overlooked the fact that most of the people here are old enough to take care of themselves, and argue their positions on issues in an adult manner.
Your suggestions on how to deal with these “trolls” are similar to AA’s current means of dealing with dissenters, which include shunning, banning (and even physical threats, as toward me).
I hope that you cool down and rethink your position, before this site becomes just another cult, as Tony J accuses on his own blog.
January 17, 2011, 10:05 pm
Well thank you, Rotten Ralph.
Rotten Ralph says
FTG:
The majority of people commenting here are the “loyalists” of Stinkin Thinkin, and will agree with you if you tell them that the earth is flat and the “trolls” should be pushed over the edge.
These same “loyalists” are molding this site into a monotonous, repetitious rant against AA that demonstrates the same group dynamics as AA has. Others have already posted about the overwhelming negativity here at times.
If you would close off your site to only those who completely agree with your all beliefs, then at least state those beliefs openly on your home page. I don’t at all agree with one matter that I believe you stand for (that addiction is not a disease), and I have argued that point recently. If that makes me a “troll” in your eyes, OK, but then so is nearly everyone else in the world outside of Stinkin Thinkin..
January 17, 2011, 10:38 pm
Ya see now, ftg? You gotta protect your users like tintop from the trolls!
Once you round up your trolls by the ear and lead them to your "community" section, maybe you'll get a chance to get some f2f time with your friends/family.
I’m just surprised that I got them to pull down the naked 14 year old looking girl picture from the website. Looking back at his posts Tony J does have a sexist opinion of women. It is obvious he does not respect women and I am sure that none of his AA buddies do either. You know the old saying “birds of a feather flock together”. I mean come on they have a picture of a woman sitting on a mans face and claim it is one of the people from this site and the caption
“Looks like I picked a bad year to quit fighting Anti-AA.”
What are they trying to say? That if you quit fighting AA you get laid? What scares me the most is that these people run meetings and have influence over them. I mean the owner of the site is bragging how it is his birthday and is going to go home after work and do his wife. Civilized people do not talk that way. I am afraid for my nieces who are about the same ages as the ones posted on that site, will be approached by one of these two. It is obvious what they want and they have learned mind control to get it.
What? I didn't say I was gonna go home and do my wife. I said I was going to come home from my A.A. meeting and get frisky with her. That doesn't mean I'm going to "do" her. Do you have a problem with this? And then when I return home from my A.A. meeting, I have a life that's worth living at home too. This is what I'm demonstrating in that statement. That's why I talk that way. I'm sober. I have a wonderful wife. We have a wonderful home together. I have a JOB! I work and earn my pay. I pay bills. I basically have a life that's worth living. I don't harm people and get away with it... not in meetings and not anywhere else. If you have a problem with me and post over there, why not post over here? Do you think you're making me look bad in front of your fellow minions for celebrating an A.A. birthday? We celebrate our birthdays here. A year is a big deal. Seven years is something else too. It's the longest continuous sobriety I've ever had in my whole life. You got a problem with the banter between Tony J and Mike? What business of yours is that anyway? Those two go way back to a Mentalhelp blog that's been ongoing for two or more years. Shame us all you want JR. It's your beady little finger that's gonna get out of joint. BTW, thanks for wishing me a happy birthday. As some of you anti/XAer folks say, "There's no wrong way to get and stay sober". Unless of course, that includes A.A.
You are way out of line with your comments about me, JR. But, I'm sure your fellow minions at Stinkin' Thinkin' love to eat it up. Have a nice life.
Looks like I picked a bad year to quit fighting Anti-AA.
From ST :
Mike says I think JD is Tony J, writing style is the same. I have years of experience reading that troll’s posts.
Mona Lisa says I agree with Mike; JD’s writing is suspiciously similar to Tony J’s.
DeConstructor says JD, Tony J, and McGowDog, the trifecta of the orgy of incompetence.
Ben Franklin says Jeez JD you sound like Tony J. Maybe your real name is Tony JD. Slick,real slick. He never really has much to say either and is a seething cauldron of serenity. Quick with the insult and not much else. You got nothing also.
Even Worse Than I Thought......
Well, I made a New Year's Resolution to put the anti-AA fighting behind me. As all resolutions are, this one is being tested.
I meant to post a reflection on my anti-AA stance regarding my program. That seems a normal enough use of my time.
But now, before I do, it seems I need to address a little drama over at ST.
It seems they are accusing JD of being me. (and vice versa....)
Now, it's obvious that the anti-AA's aren't the best and the brightest that society has to offer. It's equally obvious that they are pretentious and arrogant in an attempt to avoid looking at themselves for what they truely are. Pretending to be above the fray while rolling around in the mud is the oldest trick in the book for avoiding responsibility for one's own actions. A close second is scapegoating an organization and blaming your faults on it. (sound familiar ?)
But when I noticed Ben Franklin (college boy know-it-all) claim that JD was me and Mike(goody two shoes, Momma's boy and all around Ass-Worshiper) used his 'authority' of 'years of experience' much the same way he uses it to discredit AA I had to laugh.
I mean this crew is so clueless they don't even know which way is up.
Mona Lisa, of course is just stupid. Someone says something retarded and she instinctually agrees.
But what does all this hubbub prove ?
JD does not 'sound' like me in his posts. He just has the same general opinions of the anti-AA crew as I do. And that's not all that original. Most observers would. But the fact that Ben Franklin's vagina drips and Mona Lisa's penis gets hard at the very thought of my name shows that the anti-AA community needs me just like the alcoholic needs a drink.
Without an 'AA' to contradict they couldn't exist. They need AA like any parasite needs it's host. And indeed that's what these people are. Parasites pure and simple. One minute leeching off society while drunk, the next minute leeching off society while slightly less drunk.
I've been banned from ST for a year and they're still fantasizing about me.
Really, it's all the more reason to give up the fight.
But in JD's defense I needed to set the record straight.
JD is not me. Sorry losers. Just like you're wrong about everything else in your life, you are wrong about this too.
Does anyone want to see more of Ass Worshiper Mike's splendid character ?
ST Article :
A 28-year-old Rapid City man who sexually assaulted a family friend younger than 16 will spend the next six months in prison and the next 15 years on probation.
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Thorstenson gave Donley the maximum sentence allowed under the law but granted him a suspended execution of sentence.
Instead, she sentenced him to six months in prison and placed him on probation for the next 15 years.
During his probation, Donley can have no unsupervised contact with children younger than 18 and must abide by a 7 p.m. curfew.
Donley was also ordered to pay more than $3,000 in restitution and almost $1,000 in court costs. He must continue drug and alcohol counseling and attend Alcoholics Anonymous or Narcotics Anonymous. Mike :
"Mike says So now the guy can meet up with other sexually deviants in the halls and do some real damage. I can just picture him now leering at the young mother with the baby carriage in the next row. How utterly contemptible."Hey jerk off, Donley can have "NO UNSUPERVISED CONTACT WITH CHILDREN YOUNGER THAN 18" as part of his probation. Do you understand that jerk off ?
Do you think you can administer justice better than judge Thorstenson ?
And are you worried about the baby or the mother ? I'm sure you see this Donley as competition, after all it's been proven in a court of law that the man had sex. Something you can only dream about. How many women with babies have you leered at over your 20 year carreer in AA ? After all, you claim it's a haven for sexual deviants and you know because you spent 20 years in 'the halls'......so that begs the question, why did you hang around with sexual deviants for 20 years unless you're one yourself ?
No Mike, you're just projecting your own faults onto everyone else in the room (or hall).
Whatever your sexual hang ups are you need to address them. You have just a little too much interest in the sex life of others for me to feel comfortable around you. Thou protesteth too much.
Donald T. Quinn says "Sarah, I really appreciated your kind words. You made my day. Don’t let the buggers get you down. We’re with you all the way.
Mona Lisa says "You know, the majority of people I knew in my AA days were decent people. Misguided, full of fear, scared of thinking outside their little world, and fighting their nagging sense of cognitive dissonance…but for the most part well-meaning. The horrific, vile, profane, antagonistic, arrogant, bizarre invective issued by McG and his ilk is over the top, even for AA."
SoberPJ says "I was going to post over at McDog and then I read the AA supporters comments and realized ST is in a different league. And, IMHO, it should stay that way. My take is to ignore them and let them spew angry and profane rhetoric while they try to defend the indefensible. Over time, AA will wither but never die – it seems to be in the withering process right now. There will always be defenders of the faith, but it cannot withstand a constant barrage of solid questioning and astute observation. There is simply too much deceit and lack of evidence of efficacy for it to continue to thrive over the long term. Plus, it mimics a religion and this is an interesting video on how the Internet is a place for religons to come to die – some stupid youtube vid .The internet will cause the withering of AA too.
Primrose says Agree with Spj
Someone like anonymous of course is a better representative of aa. There is no point talking to someone who makes so little sense. It is a pity that mgd does not have a wider audience because he is proof to me of an extreme aa type, whose allegiance to the cult overtakes logic. I think that people from this site may be the bulk of his audience.
friendthegirl says Sarah, you have email… I’m going to reiterate a few things here that I emailed to you, just to put everyone in the loop.
First of all, like Donald sez, we all have your back. I’m not afraid to speak for everyone here when I say that. We have your back, and I have your back.
Second, I can’t stop anyone from pulling quotes from this blog. And if I had the ability to do so, I wouldn’t, because we routinely pull quotes from other forums in order to expose how AA members treat each other. I can ban someone from commenting, but I can’t ban anyone from reading or pulling text from the blog, and making an enormous asshole out of himself, and proving our point for us, for the whole world to see. (I can, however, ban someone because I feel like it, and I have no qualms about that.)
Third, if, upon reflection, anyone feels too exposed by anything they have posted here, I will delete your comment for you. Just let me know. You own your words, and I will honor your request.
Fourth, the message board seems to still be a little off the beaten path, but if people here would like a “members only” forum, which requires valid email address registration and membership approval, I will set that up. This will prevent anyone who is not registered (“guests”) from viewing your posts. It won’t prevent all abuse, if the message board grows beyond my capacity to recognize who’s who (which I don’t see happening anytime soon), but it will require a certain accountability, which a troll might be unwilling to accept.
Fifth, I haven’t read McGow’s whole post, yet. The man should put a seizure trigger alert on his masthead. I mean, it’s just an unreadable mess of neon text on a black background, completely unformatted and lacking any logical cohesion or flow (definitely a candidate for websitesthatsuck.com). But I will read it. And one thing I will tell you is that if Mcgowdog thought he could hold his own, or felt that he had a righteous position, he would have done so here. He responds here often enough. He knows he wouldn’t have been censored — he never has been, and has no reason to think he would — but he does know that he would have had his ass gift wrapped, with a nice big bow, and handed back to him, and he doesn’t have the cojones.
Sixth, At Stinkin’ Thinkin’, we front-page-post comments from AA members that we cull from their forums, in order to expose abuse. We don’t post comments from AA members who are in pain or who are vulnerable and then ridicule them. We cull for abuse, not for weakness. And McGowdog’s pulling quotes from someone who is expressing vulnerability and distress, in order to demean her from an AA position, is repugnant. And it reinforces the necessity of this blog and others like it: Expose AA ; Orange ; Blame .
violet says "talking about your cord made me wonder if you had a mac. i feel like all of us smaht anti aas have macs." Leave it to Violet to be off the wall spontaneous and free. Love this out of the blue comment.
violet says dear mcf-ckloser, you are just um, so far over my f-cking head, over all of our’s? what the? perhaps i did not read you correctly, um your black teenager-esque backdrop with purple font distracts me so, so very much. and well, what a creepy funeral for you. if only your uncle had gone to a meeting with you, he could have added some innocent aa chicks to his molestation list. gosh, i wish he woulda made it there, i am sure it REALLY would helped him. all i can say is, thank god i did not have to sit next to him or you, like eVAH."
That's ok. My cat still loves me;
My uncle was the one who had killed somebody in a drunk driving incident. Don't pin molestation on him too. Things are bad enough for him. But you sure do know how to take things out of context.
ok, i cannot take thedoghouse seriously. the blog is such a joke. i feel mean. it is like making fun of a really, really socially awkward person who unfortunately has a mean streak. these people are best smiled at and ignored.
Yeah, like you ignored us over at Sober Recovery about 15 months ago.
violet says "I guess if I were to take that blog seriously, which I just can’t, I would say that this guy is really just off the mark and misguided. And actually this is a huge drag because people who prolly need the most support (in truth, that funeral he describes is pretty rotten, right?), are going to f-ing end up listening to doghouse in an AA meeting. the uncle, cannot you see him in AA. GROSS. i do not want to sit next to people ike that. I do not want them in my home, around my family, nada. ut education and compassion are really the only thing that could prolly transcend this framework. i do not have the compassion. just do not.
If you want to make comments about my dead uncle or dead acquaintences, fire away. The three examples I gave were all examples of guys I knew that committed suicide and I gave some insight as to why they might have ended their life that way; a drunk, a manic-depressive, and a meth head. Fuck off, Violet. I'll not darken your door anytime ever, so don't worry about that.
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So, going back to about April and even March of 2009... you guys started this Cut and Paste from the Sober Recovery forum and used our posts as your fodder... for your anti/XA cult blog. Yet, someone takes your posts and sheds a little bit of light on it and you're offended.
You want to come over here and kick McGowdog's ass, huh? You better eat a few more sides of beef. You'd also better start flailing about the ground because in the dirt is where you're gonna go.
You don't like my blog format? You don't like the Purple on the Black background? I don't care. It's my style, my way of separating my thoughts from y'alls.
Like I said on the last post, there are about 38 of you and one of me. You done ran off Jim and Rob and you banned Karl and Tony J. And you have the gall to call my/our morality and ethics into question?
You love to say, "Let them speak. They are our biggest advocates against A.A. that there is." Bullshit. When you speak of A.A. you pull of the slogan of the week and use that to judge why A.A. didn't conform to your secular/atheistic world view. Some of us are into the teachings and experiences in that book and it works for us. Your Agent Orange induced rhetoric is old and tired now.
You need us. You need the constant friction and attention for your existence as you are but parasites feeding off of the crumbs of others. You look with vociferous attention to any story that you can spin to put A.A. in a bad light. For us, it's entertaining at best. But if you ever came close to hitting home, we would step back, agree with you that A.A. has some problems and we would set out to fix things or at least find the truth in our own exerience in the thing.
With our hardcore/hardlined approach to the A.A. program, not much of what you speak of is our reality.
Of all of you that commented on the "Suicide" post, hardly anyone came in with a disagreement to your ramblings and A.A.s supposed link to suicide. I saw that Ray corrected ftg on a word and she changed it to say "Mortality" rather than "Suicide". But nonetheless, look at your antiAA comments. You guys are the ones that are wacko.
You are resentful at A.A. and you would benefit to get over it. According to some of you, you had a hard enough time with sobriety that you got thrown into A.A., found out how bad it sucked... and 19 years later left A.A. and found that you could just stay sober on your own choice. So how is that not choosing to go to A.A. in the first place?
Why don't you go a step further and choose to drink normal? Wouldn't a Beck's Light go pretty good this weekend? Come on. Have a drink on me. Choose to be a successful drinker. If you can stay away from the first one without God, then surely you can stay away from the 5th one... or the 4th one... or the 3rd one. Drink two and stop. Then come back to A.A. and tell us about it so we can "tip our hats" to you.
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So what started all of this?
The offended poster at ST says,
FTG: I would like you to know that McGodCow has copied and pasted my earlier statement all over the web and ripped me to shreds for it. You say you want me to share here, and this is what happens. As for the board, I have posted there, and most do not bother to read nor respond. So, goodbye for a while as this is obviously not a safe place.July 23, 2010, 11:18 am
Holy crap! I didn't mean to single you out and the only name I took liberty to use was K. Unless by accident, that wasn't the point of my blog or any other comments from specific posters.
I just used the subject of "Is A.A. causing suicide" as something to counterpoint. That's all.
If you were offended by my immediate and spontaneous comments to your posts, I'm sorry. I don't know you well enough to make any educated statements. But you are posting in a nasty blog that has done some nasty and abusive things to my friends. Look back at my earliest blog entries.
It's the main reason I started this blog! I have a right to speak my mind, as y'all do. I may be banned from forums and put into the "Dunce" room, etc. But I will speak my mind and my experience.
And by the way, I'm not threatened by you atheists in the least. I've got some secular and atheist friends in A.A. and they get along fine. But they aren't your Starbucks-quality atheist like most of you folks are. They are the real deal. They don't believe in an Intelligent Guidance in the Universe or at least, don't think a Supreme Being is in charge. But they make A.A. work nonetheless. Either way, they are forced to choose.
Upon what we choose is what separates us.
I'm not really in agreement of your assessment of me over there. If you think I'm too vulgar, fine. I'll stay away. For you to discount me as some A.A. nutjob or wacko that's not even of use in A.A. interests me not. I'm doing well in my recovery. Believe it or not.
But make no mistake about this; I owe the existence of this blog and its style to you fine folks over at Stinkin' Thinkin'. You created me. You should take a bow. With all of the "Quotes of the Week" , "The Crazies over at Sober Recovery", and the labels to selective posts, you got my attention.
If you want to know the truth, I'd rather get away from this back and forth banter, but my pro-AAs have gone into the basement as of late. Things are quiet. Most folks are out enjoying their summer. We'll see things pick back up over the next few months. Someone made the suggestion that I take on other usernames? Violet? The only other name I use is SirMcGowington. Karl is Cuda is Leadfoot. Tony J is Tony J. The others don't post here much. It's not their style.
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Sarah, who also likes to bash the A.A. book and program on Amazon says, "I was not an unwilling member and I worked the steps OUT OF THE BOOK for over a decade! McGowdog, I hope you rot. Why does no one on this site care what he does to people who are already hurting?
I know about him and his friends. My point is: Why is he allowed on here again when the only reason he's here is to copy, paste, and slander?
Well I don't think it's very nice that you want me to rot. See, you've gone from suicidal to homicidal. I guess that's sort of improvement. you've gone from shame and apathy to resentment.
I don't care if you get me banned. I've been banned before. It's a small world. We'll meet up somewhere. You'll be bashing A.A. and I'll be praising it. Why? Because that's been my experience in A.A.
When you bash A.A. and claim that it's a dangerous cult that leads to suicide, I take note. I consider it for a second. I really do. But I see that what you say is bullshit. If you thought A.A. was wrong for you or you got no results after a set of steps, much less 12, why didn't you leave way back then?
What about the people for whom A.A. is successful? You say "good for you if A.A. worked for you" on one side of your mouth and you say, "A.A. is a dangerous cult" on the other. I don't buy it. You bought the victim card long ago and A.A. offered you freedom. Too bad it didn't work for you. I shouldn't even be defending A.A. here. It needs no defense from you or your "ilk". I saw plenty of people on your Amazon comments that dispelled you as a whack-job.
See? Insults and judgement work both ways. You ought to get a life. Have fun over at Stinkin' Thinkin. It fits you.
