Here is a little exchange with some anti-AA's who consider themselves way too smart to fall for AA's lies :
Anti-AA smart guy :
AA helps many with nowhere else to go.
I simply do not agree with many of the tactics and programming.
What people believe becomes their self fulfilling prophecy. This is where teaching jails, institutions, and death is dangerous.
Acronymic sayings are assumed to be true and are misleading. If any “recovery” would be permanent, it would need to be truthful and have substance.
AA’s typically rationalize their actions under the belief that what they do is for the greater good. This is a total lack of humility and in direct conflict with the literature.
If I am to be rigorously honest, I am not going to react to any programming, I am going to think and make decisions based on balanced information that reflects the closest approximation to the truth that I can assimilate.
{{Note, the anti-AA has just said that drunks have bad lives not because of alcohol but because AA tells them they will.....WTF ??}}
Tony J :
Most chronic alcoholics do end up in jails, institutions or dead. Read the Big Book. Do you think all the original members of AA made that stuff up ?
Go to a meeting and listen to the stories told by the speakers. Are they making that stuff up ?
Why shouldn’t AA talk about that consequences of long term alcoholic drinking ?
If I tell you that you’ll die if you run out in front of a bus and then you run out in front of a bus and are killed, it’s not because I put the idea in your head. It’s because buses kill people when they hit them.
Anti-AA smart guy's sidekick :
jails, institutions and death.
You are in an institution. AA.
AA is the designated storage facility for ass holes like you.
Anti-AA smart guy :
Jails, institutions, and death aren’t mentioned anywhere AA’s book of mythology. I have read it, many times, and suspect that most of it is contrived, at least the first section.
As for the drunkalogues in meetings, many of them become embellished over time.
The bad analogies seem endless. I can run out in front of busses all day long, as long as they aren’t moving.
{{Again we see the anti-AA put for the idea that no harm can possible come from alcoholc but only from AA.....WTF ??}}
Anti-AA smart guy 2 :
“Most chronic alcoholics do end up in jails, institutions or dead. Read the Big Book.”
That’s like saying “Allah is the true God, read the Koran.”
MOST alcoholics, 80%, quit without any program or treatment
{{This genius thinks Most alcoholics end up in j, i, or d = Allah is the true God. WTF ????? Also, he admits that 20% of alcoholics can't quite without treatment. Primo.}}
In conclusion I have traveled back in time to glimpse a 'future' anti-AA being told by his mother that boys are different than girls......... this guy still thinks there is no difference and he's 38 now !!
