Lie #2 in the mind of Orange

Date: 01/15/10
From: McGowdog Staff
To: Agent Orange
RE: Reading Skills Assessment

Dear Mr. Orange,
We regret to inform you that you have failed your basic reading and comprehension assessment. It was very difficult to grade your work because the comprehension test indicated that you only read part of the original material. You have demonstrated your inability to take the provided material and pass a written test indicating that the material was read and understood. In fact some of the material provided by you indicates that several answers were fabricated from scratch.

Not only were there misquotes that did not quote the entire original source, the author was also not represented correctly.

Below you will find some examples of the reason we had to fail your writings.

Best of Luck in your future endeavors
Sincerely
McGowdog Staff

#2
If you are having a problem with drinking too much alcohol, then you have a disease which only a spiritual experience will conquer. (The Big Book, 3rd Edition, William Wilson, page 44.)

Really???
Come on Orange! You can do better than this sophomoric type of information bastardizing.

You're in direct compliance with the Karl Rove Debate Techniques which we might have to rename.

They will now be called the Agent Orange Debating Techniques. You should be honored.

Lesson #2: Put incorrect words into your opponent's mouth.

Lesson #3: Misconstrue your opponents' message purposely so as to build a straw man argument that is easier to knock down than your opponent's real argument.

All other Bullshit Artists must stand in awe at your ability to distort fact and present your rendition as the actual fact.

Unfortunately you only barfed up part of what you swallowed. The real Quote goes as such:

"If, when you honestly want to, you find you cannot quit entirely, or if when drinking, you have little control over the amount you take, you are probably alcoholic. If that be the case, you may be suffering from an
illness which only a spiritual experience will conquer. "

Do you see the difference??

Your Quote:

If you are having a problem with drinking too much alcohol, then you have a disease which only a spiritual experience will conquer.
(The Big Book, 3rd Edition, William Wilson, page 44.)

Here's how it really goes

If, when you honestly want to, you find you cannot quit entirely, or if when drinking, you have little control over the amount you take, you are probably alcoholic. If that be the case, you may be suffering from an illness which only a spiritual experience will conquer.

Now do you see it??????

First off we have the Illness/Disease issue which you can't get through your thick head.

Hospitals are full of mentally “ill” people. Never once does anyone refer to them as mentally “diseased” People. Does that help?

Anorexia is killing girls around the world. It's an "Illness". They are “ill” because the condition centers in the mind. Just as Bill said our illness centers in the mind.

"Illnesses" center in the mind and "Diseases" are centered in the body.
Are you beginning to understand the difference yet? How much simpler can it get?

Here's this beauty from the book:

As you can see the quote is comprised mostly of single syllable words for your reading ease.

Pg 23
Therefore, the main problem of the alcoholic centers in his mind, rather than in his body.

I would hardly expect you to quote that correctly.

Try practicing this in front of a mirror! Illness, mind!! Disease, body!! Say it over and over and click your heels together three times.

Moving right along you left this turd laying on the floor:


"You are powerless over alcohol. You can't quit. Your life is unmanageable. There you are, facing ruin again, and still you can't stop. The more you struggle, the worse you get. Even if you quit drinking, we can prophesy that you will suffer from strange mental blank spots where will-power and self-knowledge will be useless, and you will start drinking again without even knowing what you are doing. Your defense must come from a Higher Power. (The Big Book, 3rd & 4th Editions, William G. Wilson, pages 59, 41-42, and 43.)"

You provided a link when we clicked on "Mental BlankSpots" and took us to a story on Pg 43

Here's an example of where you took a story and quoted Bill as being the one that said it. It wasn't. It was Jim and I'm not going to research it right now. But it wasn't Bill as you stated.

You provided another link to click where you reference yourself. Cool All we have to do is click Will Conquer and we get to see you mistake Illness for Disease once again. No the AMA doesn't recognize any Disease that only a spiritual experience will conquer.

So, I agree with you on this one. Too bad it's an illness.

Then off you go with this;
"But this is the dogma, one of the core beliefs, upon which Alcoholics Anonymous is based. A.A. teaches that you can't 'just quit drinking' or 'just abstain'. You must join A.A., do the Twelve Steps, and have a "spiritual experience", in order to quit drinking".

Uhhh! Here's what the book says;
"To show others precisely how we quit is the main purpose of this book.

If You want what We have and are ready to go to any length to get it then you are ready to take certain steps."


The Book also goes on to say that they are just suggestions...

Meaning they are not absolutely necessary for sobriety.