Alcohol Recovery Blog... Well, not so much any more. I've lost all of my support over the last several years obviously. Nobody wants to go head to head with the Anti/XAers anymore. Seems that most have jumped off of the A.A. "bandwagon" all together. I've lost my resolve as well. Still sober 20+ years though. So there is that.
I can't, for the life of me, figure out why a person would spend so many hours (days,weeks,months,years) of their life worrying about AA. AA is like golf to me, I don't like to play it so I don't waste my time watching it.
I notice alot of the anti-AA crew are from the UK. I guess Fox News is right and if we give everyone access to national healthcare they'll all become demotivated and sit home on their computers all day and pretend they're intellectuals. That will sink the economy even more.
Have any of the anti-AA's noticed that Bill W had the drive and talent to get an actual book published ? Back in 1939 there was no internet. Just because you have an internet connection and an opinion doesn't mean you're in the same league as the people you like to pick at.
And what the hell is 'drivel' anyway. I think of a gay butler everytime I read that word.
No wonder we kicked their asses 200 years ago (twice) and then saved from the Germans (twice). What a bunch of whiney little gaylords..........
So... I gave them a break and decided to "give it up" and post my delicious wisdom over there again... and it was all good.
Then just today, I tried to post... and I got jammed up. I don't know what's wrong. They must have their editor back-logged or something. Well anyways, we were having a good conversation about stuff... namely how A.A. sucks and how a woman's marriage is being ruined because she's jealous of her husband going there or something.
So let's just merge into the conversation, shall we?
Barton, on December 30th, 2009 at 7:33 pm Said:
I’ve been researching AA alot lately. My husband is consumed by this cult. It is destroying our marriage and family. I’m experiencing the …forget them, we’re your family… line that AA is feeding him. What worries me most is that it was a Government approved rehab centre that introduced him to AA.
I need to find something that will shock him into rational thinking and make him realise that he has no control of his life. Something that will make him realise that he needs “Rational Recovery” not “pray for guidance” which is what AA is feeding him.
Any suggestions??
Then uberdog...
Uberdog, on December 30th, 2009 at 8:36 pm Said: Most people figure out AA is bullshit within the first 90 days, thus much importance is placed on 90 meetings in 90 days.It’s most effective on people who’s family or friends are substance abusers. Loneliness is a powerful motivator exploited in the rooms.Confrontational tactics are more likely to send the recruit back for more indoctrination as they attempt to aviod conflict.Do some homework . Call counseling services and find out who is not 12 step afilliated. Make an appointment for yourself and discuss your situation before going together. Ask questions of him in an inquisitive rather than accusing manner, lead him, rather than command him to the solution.Suggest doing things he likes to do on meeting nights and do them with him. Since he has chosen to abstain from drinking his social circle will change and he has much more time on his hands than before. Find new interesting people and activities to entertain the both of you. OR If all else fails ask him how his fourth step is going, when is he going to start it, why he hasn’t he finished it yet and why won’t he let you read it.Best of luck! December 30, 2009 1:33 PM
Yeah, try something else. I think that Malibu Passage Rehab is good (http://www.passagesmalibu.com/?gclid=CPHhyJiL_54CFQmbnAodxyclIQ). The book is only $18.00 and the treatment costs about $80,000.00 or something. Must be worth it if it costs that much. As far as reading his 4th Step, thats a good idea. Here's an example of that;
Column 1; Resentful at uberdog Column 2: the cause... he's a milk-fed momma's boy with no balls. Column 3: .................Self esteem... I am sober, Mr. A.A., a real man. .................Security... I need uberdog to grow up. .................Ambition... I want to give uberdog balls. .................Personal Relations... men defer to real men. .................Pocketbook... N/A
So yeah, if you want to read someone else's inventory, I offer you this little smidgeon of advice; Once you read it, you're responsible. Good luck with that. December 30, 2009 1:32 PM
So yeah... I offered up that plethora of advice free of charge. Gee. To think I saved her $80,000.00. I must be like a spiritual giant or something. I offered some other advice, but it didn't show up for some reason and I didn't think of saving it before losing it to cyber space. I wonder if it'll make it past the editor over there at Stinkin. I think Barton had asked for the advice after saying,
"I’ve been researching AA alot lately. My husband is consumed by this cult. It is destroying our marriage and family. I’m experiencing the … I need to find something that will shock him into rational thinking and make him realise that he has no control of his life. Something that will make him realise that he needs “Rational Recovery” not “pray for guidance” which is what AA is feeding him. Any suggestions?? Then I said something to the effect: McGowdog: Maybe your husband isn't an alcoholic at all. Maybe he's just a situational drinker. What's the situation in the bedroom been lately? So yeah, we'll see how it all shakes out and what gets posted and not. I sure hope they have a chance to read my pearls of wisdom and am looking forward to hearing the responses and how helpful my free advice is for them. Happy New Year! ******************************** Oh yeah. Then just last night, H conversed with me a bit. things were actually pretty cordial... H, on December 29th, 2009 at 5:35 pm Said: mcgowdog –go to hell or to a meeting, whichever is closer. Reply So, being the gentleman that I am, I abliged her; I went to a meeting. The topic was "Wait for the Miracle". I was called on first to share. I said, "In my group, we say, 'Wait for the POP'. "The chair person said, "Wait for the POP? What's that mean?" I said, "That's the sound you hear when you pull your head out of your ass." That went off like a fart in church. **************************** Oh boy! Now I did it. I created a Monster! Teej meets Stinky Pinky... or Stinkin' Thinkin' or whatever they call it.
Q. What kind of person would de-capitalize the G and H in God and He in someone elses quote ?
A. A religious fanatic. Atheism. The true opiate for the masses.
LOL.
As far as your silly question goes, why don’t you read the BB and see why ? It never suggests that a spiritual awakening comes to a person directly and one on one. It assumes that God works through people. Your quote is consistent with the rest of the book.
So, besides giving you an opportunity to edit someone elses work(someone with a purpose in life)……what is the point of your question ?
If you spend more than 3 minutes a week worrying about AA, you are pretty much a worthless human being. Join and participate or quit and ignore it. In the mean time get some fresh air. You spend too much time on the internet……. Reply
Reply; That's the whole point TJ! They've never quit A.A. ... The Program is etched into their brains forever! Hey H, Speedy, annaZed, FTG, MA, and now Uberdog, etc. ... give it a try. Try not to think about A.A. You can't do it! Here, go fetch...
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Well... we see here that TJ went right after Speedy on his first post. I've seen TJ in action with 4 antiAA Bashing dorks and he's bloodied them all at one time. Let's see if Speedy doesn't respond with a "Fuck you twice, or a "speedy0314, on June 7th, 2009 at 4:10 am Said:i’d like to forward him a few posts from the steppers over at blame’s YT channel or even some of the e-mail i get after responding to vids. ‘vicious’, ‘demonizing’, ‘tearing down’ … ‘your mileage may vary’.kiss my ass you molly-coddled, in-love-with-your-own-credentials pansy. sit your highly theoretical ass in meetings for a full year & then tell me how wonderful & empowering it all is.fuck him twice, speedy " to boot... Yeah, we finally find out what Speedy was talking about with those stupid dorks on mike's YT channel. Hey Speedy, blamethedenialorwhateverthefuck, Orange, meet "Eyelovebooze" bitches. ****************************************** Here's a littlesection from within Stinkin' Thinkin' where they assume they are Sobriety Central and people give a fuck about their "Drivel" as they say "over there";
Stinkin Thinkin Frequently Asked Questions and Repetitive Sentiments
I know that when AA scolds come here to wag their fingers at us, or take the time out of their serenity to insist that they are serene and to point out that they pity our anger, I know they’re not really interested in engaging in a dialog. They’re hit and run. If they were actually curious about our motives here they’d be inspired to peruse the blog, and what they learn will inform their questions and comments, which would be much different. And if they did, they would have found their questions answered and comments addressed over and over again, because I keep answering them, for some reason (You know when you take a screwdriver, like this, and you jam it into your ear, like this… I hate that!). They’d also be able to actually take issue with what we’ve said, rather than dropping in to take pot-shots at our sobriety, motives, mental health, and emotional state.
They’re not here to engage – which we are very open to. We’re game. We don’t censor. Granted, we’re not going to mollycoddle anyone. I mean, you have to be able to take the heat. But we’re open to debate Debate my hairy sweaty balls. I went over there after I noticed you dorks badmouthing those from SR and eventually me included. I wasn't on board with SR until about April, so I was a late-comer to the Sobriety-Blog-Message Board world. So, trying to go "off the ranch", I engaged you guys and gave you plenty to talk about. Then eventually, I was pretty much run off, told to "sod off", "fuck off", was called "peckerwood", etc. My personal information was asked for twice, as if some punk has the nipples to come actually get some, then I was told that my postings are likened to "staring at the sun". Words were exchanged. Nothing but a bunch of sophomoric one-sided shit from what I remember. Then I noticed that there's about 3 authors and about 5 minions who regurgitate the same shit over and over again and slobber over each other the same antiA.A. Orange-induced rhetoric. So I get bored with it and just leave. I go back to my message board and notice that some from Stinkin' Thinkin' are slipping and slithering around in the more secular and MOTR corners of the message board. Then I decide I need my own safe... warehouse... in cyberspace... with which to go chill... gather my thoughts... and a place to put them so they don't get deleted... or as in the case with Stinkin' Thinkin'... CENSORED!!!!!!!!!! STINKIN' THINKIN' HAS NOT ONLY EDITED MY RECENT POSTS......... THEY ARE NO LONGER GETTING THROUGH!!!!!!!!! One against 8 or more and they won't take me on. Fine.
Gee, I know it seemed like a good idea at the time. If the following is a common event for you or you seem to have 4 day weekends, you might want to consider A.A.
That's right. Tap that ass.
So drinking is fun and everything...until you passout. Then anything can happen. Heck, some of us die.
Bonn Scott,
RIP...
Rock
in
Peace...
... and out!
But for some of us... we get these distant early warnings called shamings. When you feel like you've had enough and can't seem to control the start once you've stopped or the stop once you've started, come to an A.A. meeting and ask to talk to the hard core fundamental orthodox Big Book thumpers. We'll leave you alone... for the most part. There'll be no axes to grind, no lectures to endure, no people to please, no duct tape, no sharpies. Just a good discussion about your drinking over a nice cup of coffee. That sound good?
I wanted to talk about the 'disease' concept and the anti-AA. For some the 'disease' concept is an excuse not to use a 'spiritual' program. For others it's a sign that AA doesn't know what it's talking about.
The argument is that no doctor would tell you to pray and meditate if you had cancer.
I am your doctor, now do what I say!
Bill Wilson is alive and living in Argentina with Adolf Hitler
Hello everyone. I’m really smart. I have a youtube channel called blamethenile. I make videos about alcoholics anonymous. Alcoholics Anonymous is a dangerous cult that makes people commit suicide. I know thousands of people who have committed suicide. They are all dead. I almost committed suicide because Alcoholics Anonymous destroyed my brain. Alcoholics Anonymous causes cancer and genital warts. I am obsessed by Alcoholics Anonymous. I dream about it. I don’t work. I sit around and obsess about Alcoholics Anonymous. I’m not an alcoholic. I like talking about depression, suicide, alcoholics anonymous and buckvanizm. The people in Alcoholics Anonymous are evil. There are millions of them. But I deny that. I like to deny things. I’m really smart. Alcoholics Anonymous has billions of dollars in secret vaults. They want to rule the world. Alcoholics Anonymous is responsible for the holocaust. Bill Wilson smoked cigarettes and cheated on his wife. I was arrested for not paying my child support so I decided to commit suicide. I blame Alcoholics Anonymous for causing my depression. I like to talk about myself. I like to blame other people. Alcoholics Anonymous has a 100% failure rate. Everybody is drunk. I’m losing my hair and my gums hurt. Alcoholics Anonymous caused this and I will make a video about it. Alcoholics Anonymous is an evil cult. My next video will be called Alcoholics Anonymous and child molestation. Stay tuned. One more thing; I’m really smart.
It's true! I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this
Bill is dead!
AA is invalid because Bill cheated on Lois!
AA doesn't work because Bill got rich off the work of other people.
Bill did LSD, Bill was crying out for whiskey on his deathbed. Bill smoked like a train and died from emphysema. Bill was a Con-Man. Bill Plaigerized the Book.
What the hell does any of that have to do with anything?????
Seems that AA bashers have attended the Karl Rove school of Debating Techniques
Lesson #1: The first part of any response should be to personally attack the opponent.
Lesson #2: Put incorrect words into your opponent's mouth.
Lesson #3: Misconstrue your opponent's message purposely so as to build a straw man argument that is easier to knock down than your opponent's real argument.
Lesson #4: Take all of the weaknesses in your own position and project them onto your opponent, whether or not true. Later when the opponent picks up how the weakness is really yours, you can point to their unoriginality in throwing it back at you.
Lesson #5: Rather than addressing your opponent's points head-on, insult their intelligence instead and extrapolate your claim of their lack of intelligence as being the reason why their points fail.
Lesson #6: Purposely mislabel your points as "fact", so that it is harder for your opponent to question it.
Lesson #7: Repeat your lie over and over until it sinks in as a possible truth.
antiAA819, you can go to my blog and bash it and A.A. all you want.
If your comments are not antiAA bs and otherwise biased against me, they'll stick.
It's my blog.
That's right.
I make the rules.
It's where I stick my proAA stuff.
It's my attempt to state what's right about A.A.
I know there's a bunch wrong with A.A.
I know about Orange and Stinkin' Thinkin' and now the likes of you.
Orange learns about ducks;
But tell us what's so great about SMART or RR or LR or whatever. Some of you can just choose to quit. Not me. Hats off to ya.
I don't hate you. I can't live that way. I don't like being hated by you either.
I'm merely defending A.A., but in the meantime, I'm doing steps and separating the MOTR or what Danny Boy calls Pop-A.A. from the actual program.
Is that so wrong? A.A. does work for some of us. Why do we get called trolls and spammers when we're merely supporting A.A.?
Do you really want a blog full of antiA.A.ers? What would you all b!tch about then? The weather? The economy? Your green world?
A.A.isnotgoingawayever.It'sheretostay.Really.
antiAA819:
"Dog - antiaa819 - Dec 1st 2009 McGowdog points us in the direction of his blog. I encourage everyone to visit it as he is the poster child for what you want to avoid in aa. I met many aaers such as mcgowdog during my time in aa and I await a time when people like him are exposed for the charlatans that they really are."
Oh, and I didn't direct any of you to my blog anyhow. Y'all did that all on your own. Thanks for stopping by. If it weren't for a pesky poster, you might have comment privileges too. You can thank antiAA819 for that.
So, here's an example of what antiAA819 is saying about me;
""The Dog Blog - - Dec 2nd 2009
"McGowdog points us in the direction of his blog. I encourage everyone to visit it as he is the poster child for what you want to avoid in aa. I met many aaers such as mcgowdog during my time in aa and I await a time when people like him are exposed for the charlatans that they really are.
More like he is the poster child for what you want to avoid in life altogether. Nasty, ignorant, judgmental, small minded, arrogant, sick, tiny, shallow, fearful, deslusional - and all on behalf of God, as he claims? I think that since AA allows its followers to choose any random higher power, McGowdog chose himself as the God of His understanding. He doesnt seem to understand much beyond the confines of his own mind.""
So... how is that juvenile assessment of me smart, educated, mature? How is your bitching, pissing and moaning making you any better than me? You folks are a bunch of whiny bitchy moany punks and skanks. Why don't you go do something useful? Get a job. Work with lepers. Go help the Salvation Army. Go down to the bus depot and get your self esteem back. How does wasting away on cyber-world helping your cause? Really?
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How about Moderation Management? What about Audrey Kishline and the 38 year old Richard Davis and his 12 year-old daughter that she killed when, while following her own little anti-AA MM program that promotes "moderation"... to the tune of .26 bac...? How is that program less dangerous than A.A.? If you're an alcoholic and you give a fuck about society, you would be going to a God damned A.A. meeting and drinking coffee instead of booze, you stupid fucktards! Fuck all you fucking fucks. Why don't you just go for a swim... all of you.
Go listen to Stanton Peele dance sideways on the "movement" after the incident! Oh, guess abstinence isn't so bad afterall now! Go do what you losers do. Pimp your pharmaceutical drugs to your poor victims-er patients and collect your lucrative paychecks. But leave the drunks alone. You didn't give a shit about them prior to the formation of A.A. back in 1935 and you don't give a shit about them now.
Tradition Three: Our membership ought to include all who suffer from alcoholism. Hence we may refuse none who wish to recover from alcoholism. Nor ought A.A. membership ever depend on money or conformity. Any two or three alcoholics gathered together for sobriety may call themselves an A.A. group, provided that, as a group, they have no other affiliation.
First, don't assume that anyone in an A.A. meeting is an alcoholic. Individuals are allowed to decide that for themselves, but good sponsorship, if you will, can straighten this out. It requires what's already laid out in that wonderful book. If someone is in the wrong place, we can direct them to someone who can better help them.
"Cooperation with other fellowships and the professional community."
Remember that one?
"It's not us against them!" This takes a lot of pressure off of me and you.
It is said that the 12 Steps will work for about any group, if there's the foundation of truth; common problem.
It is said that just about everything that we know about alcoholism came to us from non-alcoholics, like Dr. Silkworth and Dr. Harry Tiebout for example.
Just about everything about spiritual came from non-alcoholics, like Sam Shoemaker, Dr. Carl Jung, Fr. Ed Dowling, etc.
"We don't have the answer. We have an answer. The principles are universal. They have been freely given to us and we share them freely." This... also takes a lot of pressure off of me... and us.
It is said that some of our professional community and other friends of A.A. are leaving off the physical craving phenomena of alcoholism and it's the very thing that sets us apart from the non-alcoholics... and it's not their fault. It's ours. Should we not stick to the one thing we do well? A.A.?
The most anti-social, anti-God, anti-each other group of alcoholics can call themselves an A.A. group...which leads to Tradition 4.
