Entering into a new relationship with my Creator

Am I willing to do this now?

Is it even necessary?

What would it now look like? Would it be a matter of letting go of rather than adding on to?

Where am I with submission, discipline, obedience? Two types of discipline... one that's imposed upon me... one I don't do well with... and one that I decide into... in a 3rd Step sort of way... one I intend.

I'm loving this retreat and think I'll go on a hike.

What's your favorite prayer?

Pretty simple request... give us your favorite prayer or one currently in your consciousness... or go find us one.

Here, I'll start;


Disturb us Lord

When we are too well pleased with ourselves,
When our dreams have come true... because we have dreamed too little...

When we have arrived safely...
Because we sailed too close to the shore.

Disturb us Lord... when with the abundance of things we possess...
We have lost our thirst for the waters of life...

Having fallen in love with life, we have ceased to dream of eternity...
And in our efforts to build a new earth,
We have allowed our vision of the New Heaven to dim.

Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly, to venture on wider seas...
Where storms will show your Mastery...

Where losing sight of land, we shall find the stars.
We ask You to push back the Horizons of our Hopes...
And to push into the future... in strength, courage, hope, and love.


Attributed - Sir Francis Drake -1577

Have fallen in love with life

WHY ME?

A thought that’s been running through my mind lately: Why me? Or even, why us?

Everyone walks into the rooms for their first meeting. Very few stick around. What is about those of us who do? I’m no more intelligent than the next person. I’ve seen people walk through the doors who were in a lot worse shape than I was when I first came in. They wanted to stop drinking as I did.

But they didn’t stick around. Or, if they did, it was step 3 and out. I stuck around.

I’ve heard various answers to the question lately. “We were chosen” is one of them. Why was I “chosen”? Why not the next guy who’s still out there? Am among the elect or something? I have problems with this answer as I question whether God picks and chooses. Two people come into the rooms and only one stays. Is that because God likes one and not the other?

Maybe I just wanted sobriety more than the other guy, but I can’t speak for him. I have a friend who was in and out for years, praying for help in not drinking. He just killed himself a few months ago. My guess is that he was never able to get what he wanted. But I was.

I’ve seen people coming to the rooms because they were court-ordered, and they hated AA when they first arrived. Years later they’re sober and happy because of the program. Why did they stick around?

The floor is now open for discussion.

Recovered Alanon vs Unrecovered Alanon

I invite you to check out a conversation I'm having with a couple of alanons here and here about "alcoholism".

See if you can spot the unrecovered one;

http://www.city-data.com/forum/mental-health/909779-alcoholism-4.html#post23501822

EGADS!

Gee, was Bill right all along? Picked this up from Time magazine's web site. It's not the complete article, but the rest is drivel about mushrooms and heroin. Just think, we can now tune in, turn on and drop out. Or something like that.

The psychedelic drug LSD can help people with alcoholism quit or cut back their drinking, according to a new analysis of data originally collected in the 1960s. The study adds to a renaissance of research interest in mind-expanding medications for psychiatric disorders.

Norwegian scientists conducted a meta-analysis, combining the results of six randomized trials that tested the effect of a single dose of LSD for alcoholism in 536 adults. Researchers found that 59% of participants who took acid either dramatically cut back their drinking or quit, compared with 38% of controls, who either took a much smaller dose of acid or used another drinking-prevention treatment. Only eight cases of adverse effects or “bad trips” were reported, none of them lasting longer than the high itself.

Earlier conclusions from the literature have suggested that LSD was not effective for alcoholism, but those results appear to e related to the fact that individual studies on the subject did not include enough participants to demonstrate significant differences between the groups.

“LSD had a significant beneficial effect on alcohol misuse at the first reported follow-up assessment,” write the authors of the new paper, published in the Journal of

Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2012/03/09/lsd-may-help-treat-alcoholism/#ixzz1olrkWUh2

Psychopharmacology. “The effectiveness of a single dose of LSD compares well with the effectiveness of daily naltrexone [reVia, Vivitrol] acamprosate [Campral], or disulfiram [Antabuse].” Those are the drugs currently approved by the Food and Drug Administration to treat alcoholism.

MORE: ‘Magic Mushrooms’ Can Improve Psychological Health Long Term

The study found that the differences between LSD and control groups were statistically significant from two months to six months after treatment, but one year later, there was no longer a measurable improvement in those who had taken LSD. But given the persistence of alcoholism, it is perhaps more surprising that the effects of one dose of LSD lasted up to six months than it is that it would “wear off” a year later.

The treatment of alcoholism using LSD is not as unconventional as it may appear to the unitiated. In fact, AA co-founder Bill Wilson was an early advocate of acid treatment for alcohol abuse; unlike some of his followers, Wilson never believed that AA was the only way to deal with alcoholism. He took LSD himself, finding that the mind-expanding substance facilitated a similar spiritual state to the one that had helped him stop drinking in the first place. In his official AA biography, Pass It On, he’s quoted as saying:

Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2012/03/09/lsd-may-help-treat-alcoholism/#ixzz1olruYDNJ

It is a generally acknowledged fact in spiritual development that ego reduction makes the influx of God’s grace possible. … I consider LSD to be of some value to some people, and practically no damage to anyone. It will never take the place of any of the existing means by which we can reduce the ego, and keep it reduced.

Similarly, the rationale for the treatment regimen used in some of the early LSD trials was that the powerful drug would “break down” alcoholics’ egos and thereby create a spiritual awakening. This was not supposed to be a fun or mellow trip.

MORE: ‘Magic Mushrooms’ Trigger Lasting Personality Change

For example, in one of the trials included in the current analysis, the patients were actually strapped to their beds within a therapeutic community, a setting that typically involves extensive confrontation and humiliation aimed at revising their personalities. Research now shows, rather unsurprisingly, that trying to annihilate people emotionally is dangerous and can lead to long-term damage, even when it’s done without a powerful hallucinogen. Previous studies on LSD suggest that researchers may have underestimated the drug’s potential by using it as part of a counterproductive therapeutic strategy.

Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2012/03/09/lsd-may-help-treat-alcoholism/#ixzz1ols68Ous