. .Doctors and therapists and healthcare professionals can afford to use sloppy language with us but we cannot.
. .For us, alcoholism IS life or death. Maybe I'm wrong and they are right. You'd better find out the truth for yourself. Is alcoholism the same as smoking, overeating, cocaine addiction? Find out. Don't let no one hustle you into believing, including me.
Dammit Patrick. I was just about kicked out of an AA group because I dared tell an addict that he wasn't one of us and he would be best served if he found like minded people. If I was to place a bet I'd wager that most people in drug addiction programs aren't addicts either. Of course if I was to expand on that I'd say that a sizable portion of people in Alcoholics Anonymous aren't alcoholics either. A lot of the confusion comes from those pesky treatment centers that make a fortune telling people what they are. Of course they'll never let them off the hook when it comes to drug addiction. Insurance companies are paying less and less for alcohol treatment yet you can go back time and time again for drug addiction. You are hereby dubbed "Alcoholic Addict". Of which you're probably neither but that doesn't matter.
ReplyDeleteThe funny thing about those addicts is that they don't even know what they are. When they want to horn in on AA meetings with their treatment center bullshit they'll tell you that a drug is a drug is a drug. Of coruse it's different when they diversify and form OA, CA, CMA and plain old NA because they'll tell you that a meth addict can't relate to a cocaine addict. Of course they'll tell you that while sitting in your open AA meeting.
The good news is that we finally got my open meeting in Ault listed as a Closed meeting. All the Do rights were concerned that if an addict walked in we'd be obligated to help him. So we'll give them a list of NA meetings.
I don't know why you brought this up. Do tell.
I still skim the internet for our detractors, then ones who hate A.A. and say that young children are being raped in A.A. and that those within the doors of A.A. are not only turning a blind eye, but perhaps condoning it. This may be going on somewhere, but nowhere that I've seen.
ReplyDeleteI've seen bad A.A. where folks are institutionalized into their little groups and all they seem to do is waste away one cup of coffee at a time, but they don't seem to harm anybody else too much... not even the poor suffering and supposedly dying newcomer.
But what got my gall was when I heard these anti/XAers say that Bill and his Gang were a bunch of wackos and that they were clueless as to alcohol recovery back in 35 and that by now we have such better tools with which to recover.
The the question is, are we really smarter today? Are we ... the few of us real alcoholics, really any different than they were in 35? Are we really any smarter than them or not? I think not.
Most drug addicts are cowardly thieving lying worthless sponge scumbags. At least an alky has the decency to be a loner. I saw some stupid transient bitch trying to do the beg for money under the bridge in Pueblo the other day, but she was blabbing away on her cell phone. These lazy scum bags can't even pull of desparation anymore.
I've given up. You cannot argue and debate someone with a mental disorder. Anyone who feels a need to get involved in something that doesn't concern them to the point that the Anti's do has a mental disorder. Especially something so trivial and piddly in the big picture as A.A. It should matter none to them. If they don't like A.A. Simply don't go. But they're whack jobs and will never come up with logic and reason other than what they've cooked up in their minds. It's like the day my neighbors dog got loose and came into my yard and impregnated my dog who was in heat at the time. When I confronted the neighbor she stated that it wasn't her problem. I asked who was responsible for her dog if she isn't. She stated that from what she understood my dog didn't put up a fight. At that point one has to walk away. You'll never win. You're playing ball on two different fields with two different sets of rules. It begs the question. What possess Orange and his band of Merry Tangerines to concern themselves with something like this? A self absorbed mental disorder. The Messiah Complex. Only instead of starvation, genocide and famine being their focus. It's Alcoholics Anonymous.
ReplyDeletePiece of crap blog. My comment got shit-canned. It was brilliant. Anyways, those folks are claiming to be on radio shows, TV shows, Katy Curic, etc. About how A.A., NA, world services etc. are a medium for rapists, sexual predators, 13th steppers, and otherwise violent felons who are out to perp on young children and especially girls... but women of all ages, and even other men.
ReplyDeleteThey talk about how Bill W is evil, citing writings from Dick B, their favorite A.A. apologist... talking about how he wrote some A.A.literature using a Ouija Board. Be afraid, be very afraid. They aim to take A.A. down... while also making it a "Safer Place". Not sure I understand the hypocrisy in that. These people sound really fun... like going to an all-night blind dentist with Parkinson's.
Secular Totalitarianism is the order of the day.......
ReplyDeleteIt sounds like the Drama Squad in action. Maybe Katie Couric will do a story and scare all of them out of AA. The reptiles and social misfits that we seem to attract will just have to find another place to go. Those people are the root cause of any and all aforementioned drama to begin with. Maybe Judges will stop sending DUI recipients to AA. They don't belong there in the first place. About once a year I stop into a "Club" that's withing walking distance from a halfway house. The place is filled with vermin that are just there to get out of the house. They'll tell you that too. Maybe AA will no longer be an avenue for them. God and Courts willing. In a stupid way the Anti AA group is trying to get the Courts to quit sending people to AA. While I don't agree with their methods I agree with their intent. AA is not the place for the weekend warrior that got a DUI on the way home from his bowling tournament.
ReplyDeleteAnd for what it's worth. If anyone comes to our group with a Court Slip, we sign it at the beginning of the meeting. Then they're free to go or to stay. That doesn't happen all that often either. The Court Assignees all go to the bullshit sessions at the club.
ReplyDeleteThat's a good point. The h8rz act like we in A.A. will be devastated if you take away our drama queens, court slippers, head-nodding droolers, and now evidently... hardened sex-felons.
ReplyDeleteWe're not running a membership drive at our home group, and you? We're lucky to get 8 people at our weekly meeting.
Holy Shit. We've got a conversation going on here. Did you guys know that JimWs ex girlfriend's dad and grandfather threatened him and perhaps ran him out of Washington? I was going through the spam filter yesterday and that psychotic bitch's dad started a blog called Don'tdateJimWfromEverett.
Holy Fuck! Don't ever date someone from A.A. Talk about cripples trolling for cripples. I hope Jim is ok, wherever he is. Talk about a woman scorned. What could he have done so wrong? Farted in her kitchen?
I sign court cards at the beginning and have watched quite a few leave. I tell them to come back when they are ready and to remember that AA is not their jailer.
ReplyDeleteI'm with Karl and Dog 100% on this issue.
Katie Cuntic is a loser from the word go. Isn't she on her third flop show ?
I cooperate with the courts and don't offer to sign them until they ask me. Some of them deep down want to comply and do good and do well. They don't want to be spotlighted, disrespected, nor judged. But it doesn't mean they won't be. They have their nuts in a vice and they know it. Some of them have a problem with booze and some do not. Of those that do, some want to be done drinking and some do not. How the fuck do you guys imagine I might be such an expert on the court ordered?
ReplyDeleteSomehow I got myself into a Tradition Three debate over there. You find that when you stick up for AA when it comes to the Anti AA dickheads that think AA shouldn't exist you're not real popular. You find that when you stick up for AA and the traditions with people who think they should be included, you're not real popular. Oh well! Such is life.
ReplyDeletePeople who WANT to be included and shouldn't / don't need to be... now that's kind of sick right there.
ReplyDeleteI doubt Bill had any idea that people would be trying to sneak into AA when he wrote the short form of Tradition #3. I really can't understand their staunch insistence that they somehow belong. Even in an open meeting. Open meetings are still AA meetings. They just allow visitors. If you're not a member, you're a visitor. And Tradition #3 says "our membership shall include all who suffer from alcoholism......" So if you don't suffer from alcoholism, you must be a visitor. I'd be willing to bet all those people on the Anti AA Board of Directors were just "visitors". Mainly because "Hence we may refuse none who wish to recover". Recovery involves taking all 12 steps as they were written. Since they didn't do that, they weren't there to recover. Therefore not "Members". Simply visitors. But the question is, "do you let "visitors" in your home tell you how to run your household?
ReplyDeleteProbably not. And the Anti AAers should have a nice cup of STFU and go on with their pathetic lives.
Blue card. Yeah, I've always suspected that they were told to leave A.A. and/or required to do steps or leave and they onew they didn't need those steps. Then they got ahold of Orange and the rest is history.
ReplyDeleteOr they fall into the category of Massive, a pathetic being who went to A.A. for 30+ years, 13 stepped a guy, then when he got sober and a clear head he dumped her ass and she left A.A. with a shitty taste in her mouth. I love what ole Joe D says about it, "I have yet to see a list of Anti-AA Meetings". But if I ever see that list I swear I'll go. That would be fun.
Was Massive a guy or a gal ?
ReplyDeleteIf you click on Gunthar's Blog down below, you can see her in all her glory.
ReplyDeleteTo me. That's an illness too.
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