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Kurt Rambis hijacks a nice thread in the 12 Step subforum over at Sober Recovery. The "Wired" article gets brought up there too. They're gonna see my comments. They get another opportunity to ignore me. Fun fun. Anyway, here's a good example of a wacko anti/wanna be XAer making an utter foo out of himself while parroting his Stinkin'Thinkin' buddies' rhetoric.

• Also can you tell me what the truth is and provide the proper (stand up in a court of law) evidense
• Personally if I am going to obey the commands of AA, I like prove it works, of which there is none.
• Luckily I live in an area where there other treatment options are available.
• 12 steps and big book was harmful to me.
• To be fare ***** most of comments were aimed ***** and *****
• ... other ways of sobriety then would realise that the 12 steps are but suggestions.
• A newcommer is a newcommer (ie you don't know anything about them) don't try to be there psychologist by forcing what you think is best for them
• ...then we have to look at statistical evidense. Of which there is none.
• You really don't listen do you.
• People like you You really don't listen do you. could be responsible for people who shouldn't be in AA comitting suicide. How your conscious is clean is beyond me.
• Not many people new of his ...
• paramount to acheiving long term good sobriety [New rule... i before e except after ch]
• You are not qualified to make judgements about why people go back drinking. Bull fucking shit. You're not fucking qualified Kurt Rambis.

ProAAer steps in and calls Kurt Rambis on his bullshit; "Why do you wish to hijack it under the guise of helping people?"

C'mon Kurt! Please!

• There are about 1 million A.A. members in the U.S., according to the official A.A. survey. There is not even an accurate account of how many people came to meetings, and as anyone who has a clue, meeting attendance does not mean one has tried AA, that only means you sat your butt in a chair for an hour.
  
  As far as the claim on the Orange Papers that AA has a less than 2% success rate. That would mean that 99 million raving alcoholics would have had to have come to A.A. meetings and failed, to balance out that paltry 1 million who got sober.
  
  The A.A. Triennial Membership Surveys for 1977 through 1989 show that, of those people who are in their first month of attending A.A. meetings, 26% will still be attending A.A. meetings at the end of that year. That means that we would have to run 4 million people roughly through a few A.A. meetings in order to come out with 1 million people who stay in A.A. and get a bit of sobriety. With 10 million people in the U.S. classified as alcohol dependent, that means that we would have to conclude that nowadays about 40% of the alcoholics in the U.S. end up with a little bit of contact with A.A. at one time or another during their lives. And in fact, as a ball park estimate, this 40% figure matches up at least reasonably well with some very well done National Institute of Health studies.
  
  Now having said all that, I could care less about statistics.

Ok, now back to Kurt Rambis;

• The article you quote is pure propoganda I'm graduate of mathematics I understand statistics more than the person who wrote this article. It would be laughed it by clinical scientists
• AA has never ever been prooved to cure people of alcoholism, ever.

Prooved? Hmmm. Really? "Graduate of mathematics"..., prooved? Hmmm.

• Anybody ever heard of the placebo affect. Clearly none of you on here understand it

Ok fucking genius... well, I'll just let a proAAer from SR take it from here;

It's the placebo effect, not affect, and funny you should trot that out in this discussion as there is tremendous argument in the medical community over it's effectiveness.

And since I don't regulate myself here... fucking DUMBASS! Sue the fucksticks who awarded you your "Graduate of mathematics"!

Another proAAer at SR:

Hey Kurt...

Thanks for coming on the 12 STEP FORUM and bashing our program.

I hope you find some peace in your life. Maybe you've even turned a few people off recovery in general with your confusingly sharp comments.

I have tried quitting AA dozens of times. The problem is, even though it is fallible. It is still the best recovery I have found so far.

SMART and Rational Recovery are little more than psychological tricks&tips that only help those who never drank to the point of developing all 3 aspects of full-blown alcoholism;

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You guys over at Sober Recovery really need to be careful of this shit. This is the kind of stuff that gets you in trouble with the TOS, even though you're being baited and flamed by a retard who can't keep himself sober, but likes to make a mockery of A.A. and is motivated by his anti/XAer buddies who mimick Agent Orange jargon.

Secret of AA: After 75 Years, We Don’t Know How It Works

HOW IT FUCKING WORKS!



So there's an article in Wired here

Good to see some comments pro and con. It took me a couple of days to digest the whole thing. Reading the comments from some of our detractors, A.A. must have been shed in a slightly positive light. Some of the article was bunk, but they seemed to be fairly open about different sources in putting together a biography of A.A. from 35' to now. Some things I agree with pretty well and some things were just wrong, but the proAA comments addressed those errors pretty well.

The detractors spoke their piece as well. You know? The typical 5% blah blah blah religion blahblahblah cult blah blah blah 13th stepping screwing his secretary smoking bastard blahblahblah. LSD!

Boring!

Like I said to some "ankle biter" on youtube,

What do you care about how much pussy Bill W. had? You're not his love-child are you? What do you care about his lungs and his bank account? What do you care about how much acid he dropped?

How about these stats? 1)How many times did he get drunk and wreck his motorcycle or car since his Towns experience? 2)How many black eyes did he give Lois while sober? 3)How many times did he burn a house down due to his smoking?

How many drunks did he help to not do the above ? What about Dr. Bob? Would we be having this conversation had Dr. Bob outlived Bill W? Did the two complement each other pretty well?

That was in response to this comment of his;

He 13th stepped more pussy than you or I've had hot dinners...Screwed 'em 2 X 2 since the Oxford Groups he did...Took more acid than the Grateful Dead ever did between 1958 and 1961...Chain smoked until his terminal breath in an iron lung...Left 10% of his Big Book royalties to his mistress...Demanded whiskey on his deathbed...I dunno if this guy had the answer to liberation from addiction and living an ethical life...What do you think...?
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No exaggeration there btw. I'm sure he tripped 50 times a week and fucked more women than Wilt Chamberlin, Steve Garvey, and Magic Johnson (until he became Tragic Johnson) combined. Here's the difference between you and Lois; she didn't bitch till eternity about it!

They're starting to sound like fucking parrots to me. It's the same bullshit over and over and over again.

There's some fucked up shit going on in A.A. to be for sure. There's some real fucking hair-lips and han-han-hoey's in A.A. But if you ain't in it to put the bullshit aside, roll up your sleeves and help them out, step aside and shut your fucking holes!

You don't know how it fucking works! We do! Step aside son. We've got work to do and we're gonna do it.

Here, answer me this fucking question, anti/XA/AA Hater brainiacs; of those 95% who fail in A.A., how many of them are getting what they want? What percentage is that?