Pueblo Colorado... my town... Part I

 Home of the Heroes... 4

Pueblo Sucks thread on Topix

Some guy posted this on a "Pueblo Sucks" thread on Topix.  This is my proud home town now... so... but I laughed my balls off on this one;

Some Guy on Topix called DaHonkeyYouHate2Love:

Pueblo is a poor rat trap. I was attracted to it becuase it seemed non-yuppie and warmer than a frozen mountain town that I had been living in. What's good about Pueblo? Well besides last year's visit from the iceman, Pueblo is fairly warm for Colorado. I have come to realize though that Pueblo is a shithole. People yell at you from out their cars on occasion for no reason (same thing happened in New Mexico, although there they threw things...actually someone threw a rolled up newspaper at me while on my bike). If you confront them (like when a red light prevents them from avoiding you) and, they try to hide like the little ignorant babies they are.

I have come to the conclusion that Pueblo is retarded. It has a retarded music scene, a retarded business sense, a retarded mental hospital, and most people seem completely oblivious and retarded. All the young people leave here when they hit 22 (unless they come to the retarded CSU college or technical schools). The reason for all this retardation? I think it's cultural. The hispanic population brings the Mexican culture which is "siesta siesta" and "manana, manana".

Nobody wants to do anything today - just sit on their ass. They'll take care of it tomorrow ...always tomorrow. I suppose this is a great town if you're a chronic alcoholic or drug addict...but even those people never look happy. Everyone seems depressed and angry..either that or just "out of it". And there's not much of a sense of humor here either. I mean if you're that poor and miserable at least learn to laugh at your situation to lighten things up!

I thought people here would at least be humble becuase they were poor. But boy was I wrong! When I went to the soup kitchen the homeless people act with an air of entitlement that both perplexes and disgusts me. And God forbid you try to volunteer at a soup kitchen! They act "clicky" and look at you funny and say "sorry we don't need any help". No, I'M SORRY ,(for coming here)- hey dumbass you're not doing me a favor by me volunteering! And another thing: there are not a lot of services for poor people here (esp.for the amount of poor people here: poorest county in CO), and the ones that exist really don't help people . It's almost like they exist only for their own glory or something - wow we are an organization that "helps" people, look at us, Wow. There was a kid with no legs, no home, no real family who was kicked out of the shelter and we called every organisation and social service to try to find him a place to stay ~ nada, nothing. It was a pathetic statement on this "town".

 Then the next guy had this to say:

The next guy:

having been all over the world and moving here from midwest (Iowa) I can truly say this "area" has one of the nicest and friendly populations I have ever encountered. My perception is that this is in large part due to the diverse ethnic population and diverse in that there are so many people here who came from somewhere else. Now with that said, Pueblo itself does suffer from a low average income per person. Poverty never leads to good social aspects. I think it is naive to ignore the economic influence on the Pueblo society and then go on to place lame on ethnic issues. Finally Pueblo is the only place I have ever been where you can see a teenage "thug" covered in tattoos, dressed like a gangster, and yet be ever so quick to offer a "please" "sir" or "excuse me, I'm sorry".

Thank you DeConstructor!

I actually like that piece very much. It's a much better depiction of how a true intervention should go.


DeConstructor says, "Quite possible the very best protrayal of an intervention ever. In the end you can feel the serenity, it almost feels like McGowLord, Tony C, and Dick (head AA promoter) are personally conveying their serenity.
In fact, Paulie Walnuts reminds me alot of McGowLord"

Anonymous from "A.A. is a Cult?" Mentalhelp blog

Anonymous says, "Hey speaking of blogs, Who is Bugsworth? Boy she sure lit you up over your 5th step"

She lit me up over my 5th Step?  Well I guess she wouldn't be a very good sponsor. 


You're not supposed to share your 5th Step with those that are holier than thou... greater than... above.


If you godless folks and anti/XAers are better than a sober/wet drunk, much less one that's giving A.A. a go, then fine.  You win.  You are better than us.


That being the case, I guess you've got nothing for me.  I certainly have got nothing for you and that's fine too.

Ben Franklin from Stinkin' Thinkin' says of Smacked from Sober Recovery

Ben Franklin says, " She can’t drink with my d… in her mouth"

Now, this is a holier than thou piece that Stinkin' Thinkin' is running to bash Sober Recovery's treatment of sex abuse and 13th steppers called "What They Say". How ironic, I say. Tell us more about how y'all at Stinkin' Thinkin' would treat the pretty ladies, would ya?

Nice job Ben Frankin, but Smacked's tatoos would kick the living dog-shit out of a lilly-livered chicken fucker like you every day of the week.  Nice try though.

You are right though.  Smacked does look pretty cute based on her profile pic.  But she's taken and spoken for and from Denver, so ... in your wet dreams, pal.

Watching you Godless fucks bash the folks at SR that actually have accountability and have a forum and to judge them as being a bad example of recovery... in many forms btw, is ironic. 

And for FTG to go off about how they act when nobody is watching, that's ironic as well.  If any of you had any balls, you'd sign up at SR with your worthless user names that you so enjoy at ST... so we can all know who you are... in cyberspace, and say all this shit... make all these claims to their faces.

For one thing, the moderators there would eat you alive and spit you out.  Secondly, the posters over there would outclass you and outthink you and outpost you and outsober you and outwork you and outfuck you.  They would expose you for the worthless fucks you all are.

Have a nice day.

Add:

The OP to this tread in question: "True, I may have been a bit harsh describing her fellow attendees. However, this is small town. Meth and booze are rampant. Kills the boredom, I guess. Amongst other things. I was just using wife beaters as an example. Perhaps they have just had 2 or 3 dozen DUI's, but that is a whole other thread."

"I agree with your logic. She is an ex for a reason. I am in the 'getting over her" phase, but with help and sobriety for a period of time, I would consider rekindling our relationship."

Now, Ben Franklin's dream girl weighs in ... and keep in mind, she's non-AA recovered person... not anti/XAer, just a NON-AAer;

"Oh lordy..

So you want to fix her so you can hook back up with her? (that's a hypothetical, but I figured there was a "whats in it for me" to be had here).


I'm glad you're here.. and I hope you read, and really let these posts soak in.. there's a wealth of experience to be found on these boards.


If you're going to stay completely enmeshed in her recovery, and hope that she attends AA with "those people", you may consider dropping the judgement of the "types" of people that attend (just so yanno.. lots of us here on this board are addicts/alcoholics in recovery, and we are 'those' people that have worked a program, attended meetings, etc.. I mean really.. dozens of DUIs? Lame.), for a moment, and completely butting out of her recovery program and any thought of helping her. Tell her to report back on her progress in 6 months when she's recovered and healthy and happy. Or stay inappropriately codependent in the relationship and never find the fix in this you're looking for.


How is it you're going to assist her in getting help for her alcoholism? Since you're not a treatment provider, counselor, fellow alcoholic.. ? Why is it something you think you have any qualifications for doing? Has she convinced you she needs your help? (she doesn't) Has she told you she would do it for you, for the relationship, for a chance at the relationship? (she wont). Do you think if you went no-contact with her, and left her to her own proverbial devices that she would pursue recovery with her entire being? (if not, she's not ready).


Your call..you'll need this place. You'll need alanon. Then maybe you'll learn what your role in this would be in it's most helpful form (a non-role of sorts).


Stick around."
 
So, there ya go.  Stinkin' Thinkin' trying once again... to make a dollar outta 15 cents.

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seeker says "we are all betting our lives on something, that we are right about something, all i hear from this blog is “they are wrong, they are wrong”, but what are you betting your life on, how do you help those in pain, actually help rather than swap platitudes for generalizations ……."


Ben Franklin says "Seeker WTF, who said you have to bet your life on anything. This is a muckraking blog. We muck rake here and in the process help people who are too smart for the program. Some people are in pain from employing pretzel logic to fit into some kind of contradictory,debasing full of shit 12 step bamboozle. I fucking hate AA and love that I fucking hate AA. It’s antiscience ,antithinking ,morally bankrupt existence and undeserved place in treatment of disorders makes me ill. This is progress. This is being right about something. Telling people they don’t have to believe in bullshit helps people in pain. They might even quit drinking. I did when I found out the truth."
 
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Same old shit going on at Stinkin' Thinkin'.  Those dorks are stroking each others' egos and someone with an open mind comes in and says, "What the fuck are you losers doing in here besides bitching about A.A.?  Then they say, "waa!  Leave here!  We don't like you!  Leave us alone!  Waa!"
 
 

Is there any hope to reclaim A.A. or do we have to go underground?

Rob B. posed a question which could stand on its own as a topic here;


"I went to a meeting last night that was loosely disguised as an AA meeting, I e-mailed Jim about it but would like to hear some discussion on the Anda's of the world and if there is anything we can do to reclaim this fellowship or is it to far gone? It disturbs me to think the real deal will have to find an underground group in order to find people who can help him recover."


So, there are meetings I go to where guys who identify themselves as addicts are actually chairing the meetings... meetings that are in the CSO list as an A.A. meeting.  Some identify as andas and some just addicts.  I often wonder what they think as they hear the preamble, How It Works, and Traditions read.


At our Oksoberfest about 8 years ago, we had a reader read the preamble and he screwed around and added the words "or addict" during his reading.  They were introducing the speaker whom was guess who?  None other than Paul Martin (R.I.P.)  He ripped the commitee and tho whole bunch a new one and spent about the first 10 minutes of his share talking about unity and the mess and danger that our fellowship has become.


But you guys know the deal... doggoneit!  Only one druggie buggie.

If I'm not the problem, then there's no solution

Just 5th stepped and came home and 6 and 7'ed it and started my 8th.

It was  only about 15 pages this year, but was gutwrenching nonetheless and I'm glad to be free of it.

Now I've got some amends to go make.