Friday, January 15, 2010

Lie #2 in the mind of Orange

Date: 01/15/10
From: McGowdog Staff
To: Agent Orange
RE: Reading Skills Assessment

Dear Mr. Orange,
We regret to inform you that you have failed your basic reading and comprehension assessment. It was very difficult to grade your work because the comprehension test indicated that you only read part of the original material. You have demonstrated your inability to take the provided material and pass a written test indicating that the material was read and understood. In fact some of the material provided by you indicates that several answers were fabricated from scratch.

Not only were there misquotes that did not quote the entire original source, the author was also not represented correctly.

Below you will find some examples of the reason we had to fail your writings.

Best of Luck in your future endeavors
McGowdog Staff

If you are having a problem with drinking too much alcohol, then you have a disease which only a spiritual experience will conquer. (The Big Book, 3rd Edition, William Wilson, page 44.)

Come on Orange! You can do better than this sophomoric type of information bastardizing.

You're in direct compliance with the Karl Rove Debate Techniques which we might have to rename.

They will now be called the Agent Orange Debating Techniques. You should be honored.

Lesson #2: Put incorrect words into your opponent's mouth.

Lesson #3: Misconstrue your opponents' message purposely so as to build a straw man argument that is easier to knock down than your opponent's real argument.

All other Bullshit Artists must stand in awe at your ability to distort fact and present your rendition as the actual fact.

Unfortunately you only barfed up part of what you swallowed. The real Quote goes as such:

"If, when you honestly want to, you find you cannot quit entirely, or if when drinking, you have little control over the amount you take, you are probably alcoholic. If that be the case, you may be suffering from an
illness which only a spiritual experience will conquer.

Do you see the difference??

Your Quote:

If you are having a problem with drinking too much alcohol, then you have a disease which only a spiritual experience will conquer.
(The Big Book, 3rd Edition, William Wilson, page 44.)

Here's how it really goes

If, when you honestly want to, you find you cannot quit entirely, or if when drinking, you have little control over the amount you take, you are probably alcoholic. If that be the case, you may be suffering from an illness which only a spiritual experience will conquer.

Now do you see it??????

First off we have the Illness/Disease issue which you can't get through your thick head.

Hospitals are full of mentally “ill” people. Never once does anyone refer to them as mentally “diseased” People. Does that help?

Anorexia is killing girls around the world. It's an "Illness". They are “ill” because the condition centers in the mind. Just as Bill said our illness centers in the mind.

"Illnesses" center in the mind and "Diseases" are centered in the body.
Are you beginning to understand the difference yet? How much simpler can it get?

Here's this beauty from the book:

As you can see the quote is comprised mostly of single syllable words for your reading ease.

Pg 23
Therefore, the main problem of the alcoholic centers in his mind, rather than in his body.

I would hardly expect you to quote that correctly.

Try practicing this in front of a mirror! Illness, mind!! Disease, body!! Say it over and over and click your heels together three times.

Moving right along you left this turd laying on the floor:

"You are powerless over alcohol. You can't quit. Your life is unmanageable. There you are, facing ruin again, and still you can't stop. The more you struggle, the worse you get. Even if you quit drinking, we can prophesy that you will suffer from strange mental blank spots where will-power and self-knowledge will be useless, and you will start drinking again without even knowing what you are doing. Your defense must come from a Higher Power. (The Big Book, 3rd & 4th Editions, William G. Wilson, pages 59, 41-42, and 43.)"

You provided a link when we clicked on "Mental BlankSpots" and took us to a story on Pg 43

Here's an example of where you took a story and quoted Bill as being the one that said it. It wasn't. It was Jim and I'm not going to research it right now. But it wasn't Bill as you stated.

You provided another link to click where you reference yourself. Cool All we have to do is click Will Conquer and we get to see you mistake Illness for Disease once again. No the AMA doesn't recognize any Disease that only a spiritual experience will conquer.

So, I agree with you on this one. Too bad it's an illness.

Then off you go with this;
"But this is the dogma, one of the core beliefs, upon which Alcoholics Anonymous is based. A.A. teaches that you can't 'just quit drinking' or 'just abstain'. You must join A.A., do the Twelve Steps, and have a "spiritual experience", in order to quit drinking".

Uhhh! Here's what the book says;
"To show others precisely how we quit is the main purpose of this book.

If You want what We have and are ready to go to any length to get it then you are ready to take certain steps."

The Book also goes on to say that they are just suggestions...

Meaning they are not absolutely necessary for sobriety.


  1. Bravo! Nice. Love the McGowdog Staff touch. There's no "I" in "TEAM" but there sure the fuck is a "ME" and a "MEAT".

    I'm a cunting linguist. And so... is my STAFF!

  2. Cunting linguist, cunnilingus, what's the difference ????

    That's a nice piece.

    I am proud to be counted as 'on staff' for this blog too !!

  3. This may become my permanent home in Cyberworld too. They've got me on a very short leash over "there".

    I've been a bad dawg.

    I'm enjoying these playoff games! Colts, Saints, Vikings... now Bolts and Jets are going at it.

    So far the home team has been winning in a blowout. We'll see if the Bolts can continue the trend.

  4. I was looking to starting in on Lie #3 soon. I started to read it and I find that the misinformation is overwhelming. Basically, I don't know where to start.
    Therefore I'm thinking of a new format where I debunk every stupid sentence one at a time.
    I'll post his manure one statement at a time and make a fool out of him.
    Oh wait, too late. He's already taken care of that for himself.
    I just wonder what kind of drugs he got ahold of to have done this to his brain.
    Must have been some pretty good stuff.

  5. How in the world could someone like him be so motivated without dollar signs or politics being involved?

    He invested so much time and effort into these... as you've pointed out... lies... bullshit. "It's easy to sell a lie to a world with a conscious energy field with a collective integrity of about 190." - paraphrased by David R. Hawkins

    It makes sense to me too. It's like watching late night commercials, but there's no female flesh to go along with and peak our interest for longer than a few minutes.

    I'm sure he kept himself out of trouble though... at least till his next duck feeding.

  6. i am a REAL alcoholic. all i need to know is that AA "WORKS" for me as nothing else has done.
    if they dont have the "illness" you will never be able to explain it to them.
    its like standing on everest and looking down at the world, the feeling is fantastic, i can explain that to them, but they wont ever really know what it is like until theyve been there and experienced it for themselfs.

    over the last couple of years ive constantly found myself in heated debates with these kinds of people and at last i have begun to accept that, " its not worth it" i know what i am, and how it works. i spend my time now giving it away to people that want it, not ones that want to knock it.

    great entertainment tho !!

    peace and fellowship to you all.

    god bless.


  7. Richard..has it occurred to you that others know exactly how you feel regardless of recovery method?

  8. maybe, just maybe.

    i am a little zelous about "how it works" for alcoholics. i have not heard or seen first hand of anything that can remove the spiritual malady other than the 12steps. for me, this is the real defining of an alcoholic.
    ( what happens after i stop ?) as a "real alcoholic" i get worse NEVER better. if you know of another recovery method that removes the malady id be glad to hear it ?.

  9. I'd have to give that one to Madeline. I'd say that others who recover with something besides the A.A. program are exactly that... that one person standing on top of K4 looking down on a conquered world... and they are all alone.

    But we recovered alcoholics in A.A. are like the passengers of a great ship wreck where comraderie, joyousness and democracy pervade the vessel from steerage to Captain's table. But unlike the passengers of the Titanic, the feeling have having shared a common peril is the common cement which binds us and we rely on each other. We've created and grown a wonderful fellowship about us. Why don't the others get their own?

  10. Richard, the problem lies with this "spiritual malady" which you describe. It is only within the walls of aa that it exists.

  11. the malady lies within me, NOT within AA, they just gave it a name.

  12. Hey Richard! Good to see ya! Check in anytime if you get bored.