“Our 1992 Survey showed that only 5% of newcomers to AA are still attending meetings after 12 months. This is a truly terrible statistic. Again we must ask ‘Where does the fault lie?’”
- Dr Ron Whitington, Chairman of AA Australia General Service Board
Comments made in AA Around Australia, Spring Edition, 1994; Commenting on a survey of more than 100 of Australia’s AA groups
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Whether it's true or not... let's just see if we can decipher how his data is collected, shall we?
I checked out the link he provided and did searches on A.A. Statistics and 1992 Survey and 5% and Dr Ron Whitington, and came up with this;
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Quit licking the slobber from T.H.'s chin, would you M.A.? If I wanted to regurgitate his propaganda, I can go there on my own.
Save the Dunce caps and the black boards and the pop-quizzes and the #2 pencils for your Star Wars buddies. We've got drunks to work with.
* Note; that's not a drunk. That's "the dumb fuck".
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Hi McGowdog,
Thanks for your enquiry.
We have looked at Conference reports back in 1992 and 1993 to find no record of such a claim.
There is no evidence here either way. In any case, the surveys that are occasionally conducted in Australia cannot be considered scientifically or statistically valid.
Their main purpose is simply to get a broad brush picture of demographics in AA, to provide our best guess to outside organisations as Public Information.
Regards,
Tony ******
National Office of AA Australia
48 Firth Street, ARNCLIFFE NSW 2205
+61 2 9599 8866
+61 2 9599 8844 (fax)
http://www.aa.org.au/
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Hello again McGowdog.
Indeed, we have located in the archives a copy of the quarterly newsletter "AA Around Australia" - the source that you cite.
It includes a copy Dr Whitington's opening address at the '94 Australian General Service Conference of AA, in which the statement appears:"Our 1992 Survey showed that only some five per cent of newcomers to AA are still attending meetings after twelve months."
So the attribution of the quotation is accurate. Whether or not the deduction made from the survey data is accurate may be open to debate.
Let me suggest that, almost a generation later, that there is no current evidence to either confirm or refute that this is currently the case.
What is important is that today, the Fellowship of AA continues to offer alcoholics a solution that works for thousands of people in Australia.
Regards,Tony
National Office of AA Australia
48 Firth Street, ARNCLIFFE NSW 2205
+61 2 9599 8866
+61 2 9599 8844 (fax)
www.aa.org.au
So there ya go Orange and M.A. If you look hard enough, you can cherry-pick claims to support your statistics. It still doesn't tell me what I need to know about the success of the A.A. program; if you're a real alcoholic... on the continuum of alcoholism that requires you to seek outside help, much less spiritual help, and if you really go at it with one-half the zeal as you did looking for another drink, this Program will not let you down.
From my personal observations, many who come to A.A. do not need the program of action to get and stay sober and the really sad truth is this; many who really need it do NOT do what's required of them... aka the steps.
Furthermore, I'm not gonna pin my hat on some statement that one Dr. Whitington claims.
Good day mates!
You just don't get it Dawg.
ReplyDeleteOnly certain groups of people are entitled to believe everything they're told.
I won't dismiss it yet because there's still hope that what they say over at Stinkin Thinkin has some merit.
Who knows. Maybe they have trasditions as well as we do.
#2) For our Groups purpose there is but one "Ultimate Authority"
A Hygene Deficient Orange as he may represent himself in our Group Conscience.
I sure hope he represents himself to the group better than he represents himself in public.
I've seenthe pictures. Do you suppose they all look and smell like that???
LOL. 'C A R O L'. Is that the Carol I'm thinking of ?
ReplyDeleteAnywho, I was browsing over on st and see they have a blog on the 'ego'.
Now, maybe it's just me but I read it and have no idea what the writers point is.
The people I hang with in AA are all good loving husbands/fathers. Many have their own businesses. All work and are productive citizens. They have egos that any professional would deem as healthy.
I mean....where is this 'cult' that they keep telling us about anyway ?
Most AA's I know would tell any authority figure to go fuck off, anyway.
I can't figure out what makes these dimwits tick.
BTW Dawg, don't be jealous but I made the 'dunce page'....twice. You got nothing. In fact MA said you were 'smart'. Ha, ha.....I'm getting more street cred then you in the anti-AA circles. I think you need to try harder. lol.
Yeah! I noticed that yesterday! You made the dunce room! I didn't want to say anything for fear of getting thrown there myself.
ReplyDeleteShame; Conscious Energy of 20... just a stones throw from suicide. Fun fun.
Well anyways, My buds from A.A. Australia emailed me back. Yes, I took it that far.
Hi McGowdog,
Thanks for your enquiry.
We have looked at Conference reports back in 1992 and 1993 to find no record of such a claim.
There is no evidence here either way. In any case, the surveys that are occasionally conducted in Australia cannot be considered scientifically or statistically valid.
Their main purpose is simply to get a broad brush picture of demographics in AA, to provide our best guess to outside organisations as Public Information.
Regards,
Tony ******
National Office of AA Australia
48 Firth Street, ARNCLIFFE NSW 2205
+61 2 9599 8866
+61 2 9599 8844 (fax)
www.aa.org.au
Good job there Dawg.
ReplyDeleteThe conspiracy theorists will make up some reason, but....damn good job.