"I thought everybody drank like that"

Oh rly?  I didn't.  I was quite sure that not too many drank like me.  Waking up to a wall of spewed pizza and booze on the wall by that bed in an El Segundo Hotel  and hair matted in puke and a pounding head was not my goal.  My actual goal was "have some fun". 

I evidently over-shot fun and I know that the over-indulgence of booze had some fucking thing to do with it.

People who say "I thought everybody drank like me" or "I came to A.A. because I thought you folks would teach me how to drink" confuses me.

I know/knew one way to drink and that was always my way.  I never "crossed" any imaginary line.  I blasted over it way long ago... when I was 10 years old, in fact.  Bill W didn't cross that line until sometime after he turned  17 or 18 because he didn't drink until then.  It was different in my family.

I was hell-bent on stupid actions and a life of horror due to those actions despite my talents and the support and love from my family and friends... although a part of me didn't think so.  I thought I could handle it.  Although I knew I was different, I thought I was cool... and I'll show you this time!

It makes no logical sense.  That's the truth of it.  But the creation of science or use of logic... of rational thought... has nothing to do with it... for me.

I'm an alcoholic.

Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas.

This place is gettin' high class. Nice job, Dog.

Know how to piss off an Anti/XAer?

Just tell em' that only real alkies can recover from alcoholism.

Tell them that only non-alkies can "Just don't drink, no matter what!"

Tell them that real alkies "Just drink, no matter what!"

Tell them that A.A. makes non-alkies worse/crazier.  Actually, that also pisses off the hard drinkers and lonely scragglers socialized in A.A. who make the fellowship their life even though they have no business being there.

Tell the 12 x 12 book thumpers that there's a difference between "recovering control", which no alcoholic ever does, and being RECOVERED from alcoholism, which every alcoholic who knows their condition, does steps, and comes out the other side... does.

Then tell them this... The A.A. program, as outlined in the A.A. book's program of action, is sufficient for recovery from alcoholism for the "real" alcoholic.  Oh, actually, this must be true, because it reconciles with my experience.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

Stinkin' Thinkin' lampooning Soberrecovery again

MA says,

Fun With Delusion


There is a thread in the works from the fun bunch over the Sober Recovery forum titled, “Why do some alcoholics continue to suffer?” It’s so far out, over-the-top, ’round the bend crazy; and the first two posts are so entertaining, I decided to post a link to it now, so you folks could enjoy the show. Get your popcorn…

Get your own popcorn, MA, and shove it.


This post may be entertaining, but not the first two. You pick on Boleo because he makes sense in a "A.A. works as a spiritual solution" sort of way. You have to dog Boleo because he answers your anti/XAer criticism of God and the "God of A.A."


You ask why God saves some drunks, but lets folks starve and suffer in Haiti? Because, that's fucking why.


It's ananda you should be eating your popcorn on;

The question in the big book is "god could and would if he were sought" or i guess it's a statement.


I question this....and I find it arragant of those who have recovered to assume those who have not simply didn't seek hard enough....if it works for you great...It is sorta like saying you recovered from cancer cause you believed and god cured you....it indicates those who don't recover...they just didn't believe good enough or hard enough.


If that's what you believe fine....but for myself, I cannot go there, never have gone there and never will....2 months sober or 7 years sober...or one day....I absolutely object to blaming the diseased person for their inability to get well. It may make some feel safer, but it's a total cop out to the very spirituality expressed in the 12 steps to say it was the human power, belief, willingness or honesty that kept them from sobriety....


Is your quality of willingness, open mindedness and honesty soooo darn high you can really look down (sure with "compassion") upon your fellow man?


I believe in AA and the 12 steps...but sometimes...I believe it gets distorted.
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She "copyrights" herself. How cute. Are you fucking sober yet, ananda? It's about fucking time, if you are. A moderator/greeter/ass-kisser with 11,562 posts at SR should have some kind of wisdom... should, that is.


You, ananda, fit the Stinkin' Thinkin' mold. In fact, you just might be the SR/ST double-agent that's been stirring things up.


What's my experience on the thing? I haven't had cancer, so I guess I'll cross that fucking bridge when/if I get there. I personally, think I'm too schizo to get the fucking thing anyway.  When I came back to A.A. on this last go around, I was told that there are many "will-nots" and not so many "can-nots".  The folks in the group told me that booze did something to/for me.  If I don't want to get and stay sober, I definitely won't.  This is a fact.  Suffering isn't always bad, but it is fucking optional.  That's right.  You heard it here first.  Write that down now, MA.  I know you fucking need me.  I feed you.  Now here's some more... Pain is inevitable, but suffering is optional.  I won't suffer fools.  Not anymore.


Maybe hairlips and retards ARE to blame. Maybe there's a Karmic wheel and there is reincarnation and if you're a piece of worthless shit A.A./religious mocker, you come back as a dirty mangy mutt and you get assigned to a mean abusive alcoholic with a small backyard and a picket fence.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Tiburron88 is back at SR as anaconda22

Tell me this isn't tib;

Doubting AA'ers Crediability Issue?

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I have been thinking about going back to an AA meeting but have a HUGE problem. I simply don't believe many AA folks who claim long sobriety periods. I also have trouble identifying with others in the room. For example, one guy use to always complain about his stressful job and the car traffic getting to the meeting. I almost feel as if you still have a job and a car you aren't even a real alcoholic. I have been asked to leave a meeting for smelling like booze/drunk and accused of being aggressive? I also find the spirituality side of AA as being fake. If I want spirituality I will go to the experts at my local church. Anyways, should I try this Christian church program or give AA/NA another try?

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Okay thanks Dee. I will perhaps try both. First by joining the church program and going back to a AA meeting. I think I will not comment for a while though because I just want to be "in the shadows" until I get more sobriety time and my mind clears from my latest ugly bender.

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The thing I chuckle about is people who have to insist that they are alcoholics. If you don't have the real "war stories" and stuff what the heck are you doing at an AA meeting? I wish I went to meetings back in the 1940 or 1950 at least I could relate better. I don't count peoples sobriety time that aren't even real alcoholics to begin with.

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I agree Daytrader but the fact is I just feel like I fit in. Why bother dragging yourself to an AA meeting if a person still has a good job??? I mean instead of offering me a ride to the meeting why can't one these AA'ers get me some work? I read in the Big Book that folks back then even offered a place to stay a while to get back on ones feet? No one has ever offered me that. If I have to go to these AA meetings I feel like they owe me something ya know?

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Well metitade while i never "groped" anyone at a meeting I am a "shifty" character. I often smell like booze when I use to stagger into an AA meeting in downtown Chicago in the afternoon. I was used to seeing the upper class and would bum a free lunch. That's the thing about AA every one is "shifty".

... and

... Tib didn't even make it to the 2nd or 3rd pages of his own thread before it closed in a firey crash.  Well... he hurled some insults, but they got removed before we could see them.

Pass the popcorn.

Good goin', anaconda22.  Good to see you back.

If I ran a well-attended Alcohol Recovery forum...

... I would impose a pre-requirement.

• Option A: I am recovered in A.A. and am here to help and share ESH.  Proceed to 12 Step Subforum
• Option B: I am a recovered alcoholic and am NOT in A.A. or 12 Step.  Proceed to Alcoholism/Addict general Subforum, but stay the fuck away from the 12 Step forum, and that includes you anti/secular/XAer Moderators too.
• Option C: I'm drunk again and want to give A.A. another shot.  Proceed to 12 Step Subforum and tell them you drank, but no commenting, starting threads, or further commenting on other posts until you've completed steps 4 through 9 with a group or a sponsor.  But in the meantime, read away if you'd like, but you should spend more time working steps than in here or on the internet in general.  Btw, how's that prayer and meditation coming?
• Option D: I'm drunk again and don't use A.A.  Proceed to the Alcoholism general forum and fire away.  We'd like to invite you over to the Stinkin' Thinkin' website and a host of youtube channels as well.  Welcome back!
• Option E:  I'm drunk again and want to harrass the 12 Step forum and reek of self pity and frothy emotional appeal.  Welcome back, GP.  Give them 12 Steppers hell.

Jim, you made Quote of the Week at Stinkin' Thinkin' again!

By MA – November 8, 2010
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Quote of the Day

“The deal with AA is that we don’t give a conception of God. Whatever conception you have is good enough to start. It is vital though, that one be convinced that they are alcoholic. Then we move on to the God thing.”




Jim, an AA and two-hatter, pulling the AA bait and switch routine on a “prospect.”




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Tagged with AA, aa meetings, alcoholics anonymous, assholes, Bait and Switch, funny stories, jimhere, las vegas meetings, mcgowdog, recovery, slogan, sober recovery, soberrecovery.
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humanspirit says Stepper mendacity and deceitfulness revealed.  What about all the people whose “conception of God” is that there is no such thing as God?


And even for those who do believe in God – how is the 12-step program supposed to help them stop drinking?


November 8, 2010, 3:43 pm true believer says It does not matter to the AA weather or not I AM an alcoholic, it only matters that I am convinced that I am. Then the AA can CONVINCE me that turning my will and life over to the program will provide solutions and serenity. Classic AA dung-vine mind control cult bull crap!


November 8, 2010, 3:52 pm true believer says Whoops… WHETHER


November 8, 2010, 3:53 pm SoberPJ says OK, so I need a god to relieve me of the desire to drink. I have seen where a real alcoholic had a desire to drink and I gave him a sandwich instead and his desire to drink went away for a while. I’m confused. Am I god, or is the sandwich god?

McGowdog says, "No, Sober PJ.  You're a fucking idiot and a fucking liar.  Remember?"

November 8, 2010, 4:20 pm humanspirit says @SoberPJ Think it’s probably you that’s god rather than the sandwich. In which case it’s your damn fault that the person you mention is an alcoholic in the first place.

November 8, 2010, 4:33 pm tintop says SR eh? The very model of model major woo