Thinking of leaving my A.A. group

Yeah... I had a recent falling out with the group guru.

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I'm sick of his shit obviously and just don't think we have anything more to offer each other.

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I'm not in a position to stay there and sort of free lance so to speak... which is what I desire to do now.

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I don't feel like I need to belong to any group.

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I feel like I can do with or without A.A. to be honest.

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I certainly don't feel fear nor regret in backing off.

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I think there are some sick fucks in A.A. doing weird things to themselves. I don't think one A.A.er can harm another too much.

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You have to sign up for letting another person screw you over.

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I just don't buy into the victim/liberal bullshit.

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For this reason, I could never be a good anti/ex A.A.er.

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We'll see how this goes.

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I'll keep y'all posted, even though there is no longer a y'all out there.

Inventory

Just finished a 4th step and 5th stepped it. Took me about 5 weeks to write it and 5th step it. Now doing 8 and 9 as I continue on with 10 11 and 12.

The lessening of the stigma of being an alcoholic?

Bullshit. . . For any alcoholic, drinking booze is unacceptable behavior.

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Period. End of story.

You've done a set of steps and still have a sponsor? Why?

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What's wrong with war stories?

Seems like some folks in A.A. can't reconcile a qualification with what the book is telling us to do. If we're not talking about how we drank booze, what the fuck are we supposed to talk about? .

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The weather? Our fiscal strategy? The solution and how you ought to do steps like us winners? .

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Now, embellishment is quite another matter. Who are you to say another is embellishing their drinking? So what if they are? The next guy is lying by omission. When the truth is spoken, it is known by all. But to label all talks about booze as war stories is unproductive.

... what WE were like, what happened, and what WE are like now

Why do people always say, "... what IT was like, what happened, and what IT is like now"?

Frank McKibbon, South Dakota 1991

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The Lord's Prayer in A.A.meetings

I think the Lord's Prayer is a fantastic way to end an A.A. meeting and the Serenity Prayer don't have shit-all to do with A.A.

I think if you're offended that there's some alcoholics in an A.A. meeting who also happen to be Christian,  who also like to express their religious expression to God, you ought to leave A.A. and go find some secular or other-religion based meeting.

Back in Bill W and Dr Bob days, they used to used the Holy Christian Bible.  In my A.A. book it says, "Be quick to see where religious people are right.  Make use of what they offer."

That's exactly what's being done with the Lord's Prayer.

Quit trying to take God out of A.A. meetings or just get the fuck out and take your "It irks me when"s with you.

Don Pritts A.A. Tanglewood Retreat 2003

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I must turn in all things to the Father of Light who presides over us all.

So, how do the secular folks in A.A. reconcile this "must" from the A.A. book?

A.A.'s Singleness of Purpose

Most everything in our recovery came from non-alcoholics.  They really do understand us, but because of the nature of the non-alcoholic mind, I don't believe you understand... unless you're like me.

If you don't possess that same twist in your thinking as me, I will reject whatever you say.

This is where Agent Orange has lead his sick little minions off of a cliff by claiming we are the crazies running the asylum.  We are not.  We are showing each other how to apply these principles y'all taught us... in a way we can hear.

They claim Bill and Bob came up with all of this quackery.  This is not true.  When one with a firm umderstanding of the problem (Bill from Dr. Silkworth) presented that to someone with a firm understanding of the solution (Bob from 1st Century Christianity via the Oxford Group which Bill was privy to as well through a whiskey-soaked computer), magic started to happen.

Is this magic any less valid now that we're 80 years removed?

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Clean Slate addiction site... does A.A. lead to binge drinking?

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This is a post I whipped out at the Clean Slate addiction site from my list of links below.  It's the one listed under Brandma Binge Drinking.

Anyway, I'm trying to converse with a supposed addiction counselor who also happens to be an anti/XAer.

Enjoy...

Yeah, I'm annoyed by misspelled words too... when I'm reading a potential employee's resume.  I don't know about you, but I'm typing this post on a 2" x 4"  cell phone.  Grammar is not a top priority for most.  But look at me!  See how accomplished my punctuation and grammar is... as I pat myself on the back.

Please, could you actually say something next time you post here?  I've kinda (sic) got stuff to do.

While we're at it, let's dig up our favorite anti/XAer complaints to choose to bitch about;

○ Cult
○ Religion, pseudo-fake religion
○ Old prejudiced white man W.A.S.P. right-wing gatekeepers
○ Rapists
○ Felons
○ A.A. World Services money grabbers
○ Bill Wilson the whoring LSD popping adulterous free-loader
○ Dr. Bob Smith the whacko proctologist
○ 5% recovery
○ 1% recovery
○ -10% recovery
○ Nazi-loving Oxford Groupers
○ Midtown
○ Big Book
○ Slogans
○ Treatment Centers
○ Disease
○ Amends
○ Prayer
○ Meditation
○ Ouija Boards
○ Hugs
○ Coffee
○ Cake
○ Chips
○ Sponsors
○ Cigarettes 
○ Real
○ Alcoholic
○ Abstinence 
○ Marty Mann
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If you read that, you're (Hey! I got it!) a happy woman.

What's a bad day for a bleeding (unrecovered that is)

Does A.A. have the potential to kill people?

Well if you're going to A.A. meetings to get and stay sober, then you're doomed to fail.

Seeking God is how we get and stay sober.  A.A. is the vehicle to do that.

If we used a bowling league for that and someone from the group went out and got drunk and died, would we say bowling killed him?

The A.A.book says willingness is the key

Willingness is the key? Key to what? What does this mean?

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Willingness is so powerful that once an alcoholic becomes willing to change their mind, God has already made it happen.

To you "Folks" who blame A.A. for labelling alcoholism as a Disease...

... looky what your local hospitals are labelling drug addiction as now... a substance abuse disorder.

The A.A. Program and Behavior

Behavior has nothing to do with an alcoholics actions.

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What do I mean by that? An alcoholic will change his behavior at the drop of a hat. So what? This will not mean the alcoholic has changed his thinking... or subsequent actions.

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You cannot threaten, shame, guilt, beg, nor reward an alcoholic into better actions nor a better life. It just won't work. An alcoholic will change their behavior for you while you are watching them, but will resort back to their own behavior once you take your eyes off them.

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The only way an alcoholic changes their behavior is when they become repulsed by it and become willing to ask that it get removed. Guess Who removes the behavior?

Alcoholics Anonymous without religion

A.A. without religion

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I think it's a great idea. Let those folks do what they need to do. If they cannot nor will not surrender to a God of their understanding, then don't.

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They can take on all the atheists and freethinkers they want and call it A.A. if they want. But folks who want the Lord's Prayer in their group can have that too. All you have to do is decide what's right for you.

Will a sponsor hold your hand until you die?

No. God, I hope not anyway. A sponsor should get you through a set of steps and then set you loose .

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Maybe then a sponsor can just say, "Tag,you're it! "

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After that, you're what I would consider sponsor-free.

Will a sponsor fire you over relapse?

Yes. So don't f-up.

Niacin, Bill Wilson, and Dr. Abram Hoffer M.D.

Dr. Abram and Bill Wilson became friends after Bill had been seeking out a cure for his depression.

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Niacin, to the tune of up to 3000 mg per day, solved his depression.

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Bill tried to bring the use of Niacin to folks in A.A. and it worked brilliantly.

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The very folks in New York on the board of A.A. World Services that Bill W. helped appoint... he was friends with many of them... rejected his idea and said he had no business recommending folks take vitamins as he's not a doctor.

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So, it's the medical community that has a stanglehold on A.A.

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The use of vitamins and good nutrition will get many folks physiologically well. Good eating and the use of proper vitamins AND the use of the A.A. program is brilliant.

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Who would want to go hating on A.A.? The only folks I could understand hating A.A. would be evil people, Big Pharm, and radical atheists.

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Dr Mercola interviews Dr Andrew Saul

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Sorry link may not work here, so cut and paste this...

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ru6IPFPeTQ

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www.totaltransformation.com/radio_archive/kat_james_radio_07_07_12_full_020446.html

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Find out the truth for yourself, people. It's ok to be sober and healthy. It's ok to be spiritual and even religious if you want. Fuck the dickmouth atheists and money-grabbing pharm folks who tell you why A.A. is bad and why God does not exist.

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Find out for yourself what is true and what is bullshit.

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwZY1jaw2EM www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZZAGoA_fis www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu6XU3LEYQ8

What is a sponsor (by your own experience)?

I saw this nifty thread on SR tonight

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To me, a sponsor is someone who tells you what to do and how to act and someone to give you advice until you drink, then they fire you.

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That's my experience.

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But then I found a sponsor who works with chronic slippers like me, he worked with me through a set of steps until I was done, now I'm sponsor-free.

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A sponsor is someone who points you to God That's it.

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