friend the girl, author at Stinkin' Thinkin' lead me to an SR post about Dry Drunks.
I honestly don't like the term too much. It's not really a description of the 12 Step program that I'm aware of... but there are many caveats in the book about warning folks of the dangers of "resting on our laurels" and such.
Some anti/XAers use the topic as a claim that proAA cultists use the term to describe folks who got sober with something besides the coveted A.A. program. IDK. It's probably a true claim in some/many cases. They've opened my mind to the "There's no wrong way to get/stay sober" concept.
So ftg posted this...
By the time I get this post up, the thread will probably have been kiboshed by the keystone cops over at SoberRecovery (I have a screen cap). But some open-minded soul over at SR has linked to us in a discussion on the bogus concept of “dry drunk” (thank you, open-minded soul!) and I thought it would be interesting to see where the discussion goes now.in response to this thread at SR, and assumed the post wouldn't last 15 seconds before the SR mods took it down.
Instead, an SR poster stood their ground and in my opinion, single-handedly bitch-slapped ftg, her claim, and the whole bunch over at Stinkin' Thinkin';
Quoting anti/XAer and Stinkin' Thinkin' mark named nvrbeentospain:
Originally Posted by nvrbeentospain
I'm not personally a believer in the whole dry drunk concept. For some unabashed flaming on the topic, you can check out what stinkin-thinkin has to say about it. Admittedly, they're a very anti-AA group.
Dry Drunk – Stinkin' Thinkin'
But since "dry drunk" is an AA concept, not being a "dry drunk" probably means doing AA and following their steps.
Getting away from the "dry drunk" label, I think it's true that getting sober doesn't necessarily make you a better person or fix the problems in your life. Working on that is important for everybody.
And that is a shame that some would spend their time in futile resentment trying to mislabel AA as some religious cult. I have seen some others ex-AA'ers with the same vendetta trying to sway others with their copy and paste twisting meanings. Most of them anti-God Christian hating atheists authors trying to mock AA'ers as brainwashed people when that is the farthest from the truth.
While I will agree, some of these slogans, such as dry drunk, can and probably are overused by AA'ers on occasion, when I speak of that term, my meaning is in life in general. I do not mean it from an AA meaning.
When someone takes the drink from a drunken horse thief, they are left with a horse thief. And unless some change is made in their life, that is usually the case. I have also clearly stated this change can take place either in AA or for some outside AA, as AA does not have tibs on recovery.
I don't understand why someone would devote such time to such a hateful site in mocking what is known to work for so many that they have to establish web sites with articles to twist other comments to make it fit what they think things to mean. If they do not believe in 12 step nor are involved it in, one should ask themself this one simple question. In what way are they even qualified to speak of it then to get others to believe their BS? And what is their 'true' intention of doing so.
Does anyone actually believe it is because they 'care' for anyone who is trying to get sober? I hardly think so.
Gunthar2000-2009, for the "Where Unicorns fart rainbows and skittles" blast - 1
Ah... but then he just dropped two points with this;
Gunthar2000 says They never give the horse thief any credit for getting sober.Gunthar2000 -1.
What they’re really saying is…
“When an insecure human being puts down the drink, you still have an insecure human being, and we AAs have every intention of using that to undermine their self-confidence until they will submit to the authority of our religious cult. We AAs don’t care how much pain we cause these individuals The important thing is that they realize they are one of us, and can therefore never be forgiven for the things that they have done.”
We A.A.s really don't sit around in meetings talking about fucking horse thieves and shit. We show those who want our solution how to do steps. We enable those afflicted how to forgive thyself... which usually starts with forgiving others first. This is exactly what happens the moment we finish our 3rd column of our 4th Step. We look out immediately at those WE resented. Why? Because that's what spiritually sick people do... though they don't usually realize... well, you know the drill.
It's all about Unicorn Fart Dust and Skittles. As you were...
This just in!
anti/XAer from ST:
So now, A.A. is being blamed for turning people agnostic and atheist! Wow! The Power!
No, little anti/XAer bitches! You're radical atheists because someone told/asked/suggested you to do something to get something and you threw a hissy-fit temper tantrum.
When A.A. goes away, then the world will be a better place. Translation, until A.A. falls, the world is fucked!
Happy New Year!
I love how nobody is qualified to criticize AA but everyone in AA is an expert on alcoholism and the program. Arguments such as this are a true aggravation because they are so obviously nonsensical yet every stepper uses them. I am constantly being told I misinform, distort facts, and just lie. Yet when steppers are confronted with the facts they simply keep repeating their arguments in light of the fact that they have been proven wrong. Religious indoctrination is so powerful is it any wonder that people become atheists or agnostics after experiencing this form of religious insanity?